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To: GingisK; Scenic Sounds
Understand that on the whole, I agree with you. Our government is much larger and more intrusive than I'd like. The majority of people in this country don't even bother to vote, and of the ones that do, many are not informed on the candidates or the issues.

I will also point out to you that even the Founders themselves disagreed on what the founding documents meant, and what the scope of the new government should be. Many of the arguments we have today were present before 1800 - the specific issues differed, but the arguments themselves were quite similar. (Since you've read many of the historical documents, you know this already.)

As for your comment, "There is no government in history that has taken away citizens rights in bad times only to restore them in better times", I must beg to differ. OUR government has done so. As an example, you need look no further than the Sedition Act referenced by Scenic Sounds earlier on this thread, but there are other cases.

The question, however, is how to deal with the current situation - is a third party a viable option, or does it, as a practical matter, move the country to the left, since it tends to split the conservative vote and result in the election of liberals?

I tend to believe the latter, and I also believe that some of the third party candidates are running not to get elected, but to line their own pockets or increase their speaking fees. I would like to see some of the "fringe" parties work at building a base at local, and then state levels - I think that might be more effective both at "educating the masses" and building a base than running at national levels is at this point in time.

961 posted on 05/17/2003 4:23:55 PM PDT by Amelia (#8!)
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To: Amelia
I would like to see some of the "fringe" parties work at building a base at local, and then state levels - I think that might be more effective both at "educating the masses" and building a base than running at national levels is at this point in time.

Now we have "come together", big time. Thanks for conversing with me in a civil manner. Others on this thread are quite vemonous.

...even the Founders themselves disagreed on what the founding documents meant...

Quite true. I tend to harbor the idea that I agree with the smarter ones. ;-D

962 posted on 05/17/2003 4:45:54 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Amelia
"You have overlooked one highly significant train of thought in my posts: I am concerned primarily about the congresscritters."

The problem is, you only have 3 congresscritters: 2 senators and one representative. Hopefully, yours are representing you and your neighbors. If they aren't, there's nothing I can do about that, because I can't vote for or against them.
Presumably, the rest of the congresscritters are also doing what the people in their districts want them to do; otherwise they won't be in D.C. for very long -- but there are people in other districts (think Red Zones) who expect things we don't necessarily agree with from their congresscritters. Here is where Southflank is particularly correct - we have to be able to change hearts and minds of citizens before we can expect a big difference in Congress. We saw a change in the last election - no, not a big enough change yet, but it's a hopeful sign, and one that we need to be able to continue. 940 Amelia

Above, you acknowledge that voting for congressmen doesn't change hearts & minds on the national RKBA issue.. -- Yet below you suggest we do more of the same, thereby - "educating the masses"..

"I would like to see some of the "fringe" parties work at building a base at local, and then state levels - I think that might be more effective both at "educating the masses" and building a base than running at national levels is at this point in time. -- Amelia"

The best way to 'educate hearts & minds' on a national issue, is a nationwide vote against those who appease on such an issue.
The AWB is a direct infringement on our RKBA's.
Conservatives should no longer accept a candidate for President who would support such unconstitutional 'law'.

968 posted on 05/18/2003 12:15:00 PM PDT by P_A_I
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