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Homeland Security looks into drones: Predators, other UAVs have potential over Mexican border
Associated Press ^ | May 14, 2003 | Leslie Miller

Posted on 05/15/2003 7:06:25 AM PDT by HiJinx

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WASHINGTON -- The Homeland Security Department is considering the use of unmanned aircraft to track drug smugglers, illegal immigrants and terrorists along the porous U.S. border with Mexico, a top official told a Senate panel Tuesday.

"There's a lot of interest in this," Robert Bonner, commissioner of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, told the homeland security subcommittee. "I think there's potential there."

With no human on board, Predators and other remote-controlled aircraft can watch over a potential target for 24 hours or more and fly for hundreds of miles. The aircraft can carry cameras, sensors, communications equipment or missiles.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge endorsed the use of drones last month before members of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee.

"We need to equip (Border Patrol agents) with this kind of technology if our expectations legitimately are for them to combat terrorism," Ridge said.

Support is growing for unmanned aircraft since their success during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Spy cameras aboard a drone allowed U.S. commanders to watch the capture of Palestinian hijacking suspect Abul Abbas and oversee the rescue of Army prisoner of war Pfc. Jessica Lynch. On another day, they foiled an Iraqi ambush on U.S. and British troops.

In November, an unmanned Predator drone killed suspected al-Qaida operatives in Yemen. The Senate Armed Services Committee last week approved a big jump in the 2004 defense budget for unmanned systems, including land-based and underwater systems. The committee approved $135 million more than the White House proposed, which was 25 percent higher than last year's appropriation.

Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., wrote a letter to President Bush on April 9 saying that unmanned aircraft could monitor long stretches of border, nuclear power plants, pipelines and dams. They could also be used to augment Coast Guard patrols of the U.S. coastline.

"I believe that the potential applications for this technology in the area of homeland defense are quite compelling," wrote Warner.

U.S. Rep. Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., and six other Republican members of the Arizona congressional delegation sent a letter to the Homeland Security Department on May 7 asking Ridge to start a UAV program to help secure the borders with Mexico and Canada. Kolbe said Fort Huachuca, which is the base for the Army's UAV training, is a logical place to put a UAV border system. The other Arizona congressmen who signed Kolbe's letter include Sen. John McCain and Reps. Jeff Flake, Trent Franks, J.D. Hayworth, Rick Renzi and John Shadegg.

Jay Stanley, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union, cautioned that aerial surveillance is limited now by the cost and difficulty of flying a plane over a target. The use of drones could expand the amount of surveillance on Americans, he said.

"It definitely evokes the most paranoid visions of Big Brother's eye in the sky," Stanley said.

William Shumann, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman, said drones flying along the border wouldn't interfere with commercial flights if they flew low enough. He said interest in the aircraft is growing for civilian use and among law enforcement and the military.

Separately, congressional investigators told a House Judiciary subcommittee on Tuesday that they were able to easily get inside America's borders with falsified driver's licenses and birth certificates made with off-the-shelf software and home computers.

The false documents were not challenged once by border officials when they tried to get in from Mexico, Jamaica, Barbados or Canada, said Robert Cramer, the director of special investigations for the General Accounting Office. Sometimes, he said, the agents were not even asked for identification.

"The results of our work indicate that Bureau of Customs and Border Protection inspectors are not readily capable of detecting counterfeit identification documents and that people who enter the United States are not always asked to present identification," Cramer said. "This does provide an opportunity for individuals to enter the country illegally."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: borderhawk; domesticdrones; drones; dronesbp; droneshs; dronesus; duh; illegals; uav
Note that two of the items placed lower down in this story have merited their own articles (posted on FR) in the last few days -- inspectors entering without ID, or with phony ID; and the letter from the Arizona Congressional Delegation.
1 posted on 05/15/2003 7:06:25 AM PDT by HiJinx
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Homeland Security looks into drones: Predators, other UAVs have potential over Mexican border

Interesting change in priorities and methods. I wonder how that might have happened?

Don't quit now, even if they get their Predators up in the air. Have them MAKE you stop. You know what will happen to the quality of monitoring if they get back their monopoly.

2 posted on 05/15/2003 7:14:18 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California: Where government resembles pornography every day!)
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; Carry_Okie; FITZ; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; ...
Bump-Ping!!!
The Border List TM

3 posted on 05/15/2003 7:20:27 AM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, in the right place, at the right time...)
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To: HiJinx
Jay Stanley, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union, cautioned that aerial surveillance is limited now by the cost and difficulty of flying a plane over a target. The use of drones could expand the amount of surveillance on Americans, he said. "It definitely evokes the most paranoid visions of Big Brother's eye in the sky," Stanley said.

At least he called it right..."the most paranoid visions". When these UAVs are misused to spy on Americans, then file a complaint...until then, Mr. Stanley, with all due respect... please sit down and STFU! These UAVs will be invaluable for covering those parts of the borders not accessible by other vehicles.

4 posted on 05/15/2003 7:21:57 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Carry_Okie
You're quick!

And right. The Congress-Critters can't stand being shown for fools... But 'private industry' trumps government almost every time.

The sad part is that in the arena of National Defense, that shouldn't be true.
5 posted on 05/15/2003 7:22:36 AM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, in the right place, at the right time...)
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To: HiJinx
If the American Border Patrol accomplishes nothing else, they can chalk this one up as a major victory. This is precisely why the ABP is here on the border, to prove that there are better ways to monitor the border, that the problem is worse than is being presented, and to shame the powers that be into doing something about it.

Not until the ABP flew their off-the-shelf RC airplanes equipped with off-the-shelf cameras did the Arizona Congressional delegation and Homeland Security start seriously talking about putting up drones here. ABP is really proving its worth and demonstrating what they're all about.

6 posted on 05/15/2003 7:26:57 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff
Thank you, you've made my point so nicely...!

Wonder what's next for Glen and the ABP? We have a mechanism for spotting them...now we need to collect 'em, corral 'em, and cull 'em, and send the 'innocents' back across the border...way back!

I use the term innocents to differentiate those whose crime is crossing from those whose crimes go further, i.e., rape, robbery, and pillagery!
7 posted on 05/15/2003 7:39:43 AM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, in the right place, at the right time...)
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To: Dark Wing
ping
8 posted on 05/15/2003 9:39:31 AM PDT by Thud
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To: HiJinx
Click on PMA-263
9 posted on 05/15/2003 9:47:38 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
Nice. No argument the Navy has a long and successful history with UAVs.

We here at Ft. Huachuca have been developing and training joint UAVs for a litte over 10 years, IAI and TRW have fabrication and maintenance facilities here, and we probably have the dubious distinction of being the first UAV site to create an international incident by sending a bird into Mexican airspace. The poor guy working the EOC that day earned his pay.

What's wrong with all of this is that it took a civilian, some hobbyists, and less than $1000 to put an operational UAV into service tracking illegals on the Arizona/Mexico border when it could have been done by the gub'mint many years ago.

So, is Tom Ridge really serious about stemming the tide?
Time will tell.
10 posted on 05/15/2003 10:08:52 AM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, in the right place, at the right time...)
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To: HiJinx
We could sure save a heck of a lot of $$$$ if we just close our borders.
11 posted on 05/15/2003 2:53:11 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (Please, no Janet "do it my way or take the highway" in 2006)
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To: hsmomx3
I agree...and we'd discover that all those loonies who complain that all the jobs the Anglos don't want to do wouldn't get done...well, they're just as wrong as every other Liberal around here.

Lots of HS kids would mow grass and wait tables and fold sheets, and be darned glad for the money!
12 posted on 05/15/2003 3:27:59 PM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, in the right place, at the right time...)
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To: HiJinx
Here's a link to some pics of some USAF folks and a UAV.

Here

Looks like fun.

13 posted on 05/16/2003 4:49:33 AM PDT by csvset
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