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Get the Clintons Off the Stage
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 5/15/03 | Susan Estrich

Posted on 05/15/2003 8:15:09 AM PDT by shortstop

The Clintons are back.

Sidney Blumenthal-much hated former Clinton aide, ethically challenged former journalist-$850,000 advance in hand, has a new book out on May 20, attacking everyone who ever attacked him or the Clintons, rehearsing once again the old right wing conspiracy, every attack on them, answered. The right wing conspiracy revived, answered, again.

Hillary's book is next.

Could somebody please tell these people to shut up? The Clintons suck up every bit of the available air. Nothing is left for anyone else. They are big, too big. That's the problem.

The 2004 candidates need a chance to get some attention, to rise to Clinton's level, which they never will do as long as the likes of Sidney Blumenthal are playing into the hands of conservatives in insisting on debating the scandals of the 1990's. The Republicans shouldn't have impeached him for it, but he shouldn't have given them the ammunition. And we shouldn't still be discussing it.

Why are we? Or more accurately, why are they?

Not because it serves the interests of the Democrats of the future.

It doesn't help Howard Dean, or John Kerry, or Dick Gephardt. It gets Sidney on TV shows. If the issue is ethics, no one has less than Sidney Blumenthal. He used to call me during the Dukakis campaign, which I was running and he was supposed to be covering, to offer covert advice, which if I accepted might result in better coverage. Much later, when I criticized him, he tried to get me into trouble with my editors. All the while, I was defending his boss. That's Sidney. He's Hillary's best friend. No wonder the Republicans are delighted to see him return to the spotlight.

It raises money for their causes.

The Bill and Bob (Dole) show has proven to be a collossal bore. The ratings have fallen. Is anyone getting the message? I fear not.

Let's not mince words.

Hillary Clinton is never going to be president of the United States. There is no more divisive figure in the Democratic Party, much less the country, than the former first lady. And I like her. But many women don't. Even Democratic women. Even working women. Not to mention nonworking, independent, non political women. She can be a great senator. She's smart, hard-working and effective. She is much respected among her peers.

But the more people who talk about her as a future president, the less attention the current candidates, who might win, receive.

Revisiting the scandals of the past does no service to the Democrats of the future.

Bill Clinton is a brilliant man. But the more attention he gets, the more the Democrats of the future suffer. He would be the first to say this, if it weren't about him.

Enough with the Clintons. Please. Not for the sake of the Republicans. But for the Democrats.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; clintoon; estrich; susanestrich
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This was in this mornings St. Petersburg Times but not in the online version. Pardon any typo, misspelling or missing paragraph indicator, but this one was too good not to put on FR. Every sentence is red meat. Have at it.
1 posted on 05/15/2003 8:15:10 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: shortstop
Every sentence is red meat.

Nah, every sentence is damage control.

2 posted on 05/15/2003 8:17:25 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline currently experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by)
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To: shortstop
I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of Democrats now realize their party is nothing more than one big personality disorder.
3 posted on 05/15/2003 8:17:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Liz; Libloather; McGavin999
Here's some good news!
4 posted on 05/15/2003 8:19:19 AM PDT by Howlin (The Trojan Horse was a "gift," wasn't it?)
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To: Miss Marple
You'll like this one!
5 posted on 05/15/2003 8:19:34 AM PDT by Howlin (The Trojan Horse was a "gift," wasn't it?)
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To: Alberta's Child
Just look at our situation with the state legislator Democrats here in Texas, er Oklahoma.
6 posted on 05/15/2003 8:19:58 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: shortstop
Don't give yet! there is one more book by the fat guy himself, Bill Clinton. I understand the title is:
"How I won the War at Waco"
7 posted on 05/15/2003 8:20:42 AM PDT by Nagual
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To: shortstop
Where's my pole with the big hook on the end when I need it. Let em talk maybe get a trio with Al Sharpton. Rap on brother rap on.
8 posted on 05/15/2003 8:20:52 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Will Rogers never met me.)
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To: shortstop
Susan gets it
9 posted on 05/15/2003 8:21:10 AM PDT by woofie (I want a cabal too)
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To: Howlin
Susan talking sense! Sullivan has a review of the book she mentions.
10 posted on 05/15/2003 8:22:01 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Howlin
Much as I dislike Ms. Estrich's politics, I have found her to be candid about her errors (Dukkis in a tank) and not hateful about the President's successes, even though she disagrees.

She is spot on about this, but I think the democrats are hypnotized by the Clintons and cannot escape their hold.

11 posted on 05/15/2003 8:22:43 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: shortstop
Hillary's book is next.

Instead of using cattle futures, as a conduit for her payoffs, she now uses books.

12 posted on 05/15/2003 8:23:03 AM PDT by Ceebass
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To: Alberta's Child
"I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of Democrats now realize their party is nothing more than one big personality disorder."

Hmmmm. The term Mentally Disordered Sex Offender comes to mine. I wonder who I could be thinking about.

13 posted on 05/15/2003 8:23:44 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: shortstop
Enough with the Clintons. Please. Not for the sake of the Republicans. But for the Democrats.

Naw, do it for the Republicans too. We're also sick and tired of him and her.

14 posted on 05/15/2003 8:24:45 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: shortstop
Another Estrichan moment....

What she's saying, really, is "don't pay attention to Hillary, even when she declares she's running 'for the good of the party'. She wouldn't win, so don't waste your ammo on keeping her out of that office. Just watch the present candidates fight it out. Hillary is no threat."

15 posted on 05/15/2003 8:25:27 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: shortstop
HEH..HEH...Susan sees that we...really don't want X42 to go away.....he's like raw, red meat laying on the picnic table on a hot summer afternoon....with the yellow jackets swarming and ignoring all the other "food."
16 posted on 05/15/2003 8:26:19 AM PDT by goodnesswins (For Lease.....)
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To: shortstop
Bill Clinton is a brilliant man.

This is the sentence that always kills me, and every librul repeats it ad infinitum. A brilliant man would know what the word "is" means. A brilliant man would think, "Maybe it's not such a good idea for me, a married man and President of the United States, to play hide the salami with a mentally-challenged 19-year old intern usually responsible for delivering high-level pizza." A brilliant man would think, "I'd better not let the cameras catch me smiling and laughing here at Sen. Wellstone's funeral."

I ask you, what is so brilliant about this man?

17 posted on 05/15/2003 8:26:50 AM PDT by TheBigB ("Daddy, what's -b*tch-?" "It's a grown-up word, honey. It means junior Senator from New York")
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To: Howlin
Shaking my head. Rush Limbaugh is often right, but never so right as when he declares how much FUN democrats are when they are out of power. Every new day brings more proof of this theory. I, for one, am having a great time watching it all.
18 posted on 05/15/2003 8:27:09 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: mware
Ping!
19 posted on 05/15/2003 8:27:52 AM PDT by Dog (California wants to ban OREO cookies they can have mine ....... "From my cold dead hand's")
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To: TheBigB
Beat me to it. The one about Hillary being "smart and effective" galls me as well.
20 posted on 05/15/2003 8:28:29 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Howlin
whats nice is you know it wont happen... Bill Clinton is sucking up a lot more than air
21 posted on 05/15/2003 8:28:36 AM PDT by woofie (I want a cabal too)
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To: MEG33
LOL, I hope the RATS don't listen to Susan's good advice. I'm 95% sure they won't.

The RATS' overwhelming urge to engage in vicious personal attacks on Pres. Bush is uncontrollable---kinda like the lustful urges of a certain loathsome Rapist.....

22 posted on 05/15/2003 8:28:38 AM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: theDentist
My take is that she knows any reminder of the Clinton's will damage them yet again in 2004. Notice he has been invisible lately?

The money is drying up.
23 posted on 05/15/2003 8:28:45 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: MEG33
When Susan claimed Hillary has the respect of her collegues, I lost it. Susan is mad because there is none of that Clinton absorbed oxygen left for her. She should cut back on those 5 packs of Virginia slims she smokes per day. The carbon monoxide is dimming her comprehension. The only reason Hillary gets anyone's "respect" in the Senate is because they are scared to death of her. You can run Zimbabwe on fear and intimidation, and if she gets her way it will be the same here.

Never piss off Hillary if you work at a Starbucks........

24 posted on 05/15/2003 8:29:12 AM PDT by blackdog (All generalizations are false.)
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To: woofie
She does get it. She was a staunch defender of the odd couple during the impeachment fiasco. I think she is being realistic and trying to tell the other RATS that they must let go now, put the Clintons on the shelf and move along. Estrich is genuinely looking to the future of her party, and Hillary is not the one to lead it to its past glories.

Hillary is the France of the RAT party.

25 posted on 05/15/2003 8:30:46 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Miss Marple
She is spot on about this, but I think the democrats are hypnotized by the Clintons and cannot escape their hold.

Indeed they are and it's a blessing for the GOP. Every time clinton opens his mouth, he further discredits the democrat party and harms the candidates trying to break from his mold. Recall how he campaigned for candidates in 2002? Nearly all of them lost and lost big. I say let bill stay out front and center. He's nauseating and it infuriates me to no end but it does appear to help the GOP.

Estrich is right about hillary too. She will never be president. She may have gotten elected in NY but that's a far cry from a national election. And I know many democrat women who can't stand her. Plus, who in their right mind would want bill clinton to be the first man?

26 posted on 05/15/2003 8:31:08 AM PDT by Wphile (Keep the UN out of Iraq)
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To: theDentist
I missed that.

You are correct. 66% of Americans can't identify a CURRENT Democrat candidate. However, they are currently all discussing who they don't want - Hillary. Discussing who they don't want, and how to keep her away is hurting them and helping us.
27 posted on 05/15/2003 8:31:30 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: shortstop
The Clintons suck up every bit of the available air.

Good call, Sue, but it about 14 years too late. History will remember the Clintons as parasites that starved out the Democratic Party. Keep yapping, Bill and Hil.

28 posted on 05/15/2003 8:31:32 AM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: shortstop
I sent a copy of this to Rush. Let's see if he brings it up.
29 posted on 05/15/2003 8:31:36 AM PDT by shortstop (Win one for the Gipper)
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To: TheBigB
He's a moron. "Style" over substance. He never graduated from Oxford, and now his own spawn hasn't either.

Presstitutes putting out that p.r. BS for him.
30 posted on 05/15/2003 8:34:19 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: shortstop
VERY STRONGLY AGREE . . . .

her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette
de Fosterizer de Reno-suckface
de Slithering-snake-belly
de Stage-hogger
de Power-monger-supreme
de Marx-idolizer de Beijing-agent
de Infanticide-glorifier
de Poopy-flinger de Sade

richly deserves retirement to a seedy little mental hospital in Appalachia somewhere--nah--they don't need her nor deserve her--in San Francisco somewhere.
31 posted on 05/15/2003 8:35:35 AM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Trust but Verify; woofie
Me, too! You hardly want to miss one catty article, do you?

Listen, we DESERVE this, so don't feel bad about it for one minute. We suffered through eight long years of a national group therapy session with these people.

We are DUE.
32 posted on 05/15/2003 8:35:56 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: shortstop
VERY STRONGLY AGREE . . . .

her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette
de Fosterizer de Reno-suckface
de Slithering-snake-belly
de Stage-hogger
de Power-monger-supreme
de Marx-idolizer de Beijing-agent
de Infanticide-glorifier
de Poopy-flinger de Sade

richly deserves retirement to a seedy little mental hospital in Appalachia somewhere--nah--they don't need her nor deserve her--

Put her in a solitary padded cell in a seedy mental hospital in San Francisco somewhere.

Put him in the cell across the hall with Reno.

33 posted on 05/15/2003 8:36:12 AM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: mabelkitty
She didn't graduate???
34 posted on 05/15/2003 8:36:18 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: shortstop
Didn't Sidney Boobenthal once state that he lied to his own journal when he was being investigated? Or was that some other clinton cronie?
And if it was Sideny, why should anybody believe what he writes now?!
35 posted on 05/15/2003 8:36:22 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: TheBigB
Its because the media let him off.
36 posted on 05/15/2003 8:37:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Falcon4.0
Wow that is in the far reaches of my memory's vault...I think it was someone else
37 posted on 05/15/2003 8:40:21 AM PDT by woofie (I want a cabal too)
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To: shortstop
The incredible thing about this article is who the author is. Her credentials as a card-carrying Democrat are unquestionable. However, her conversion from the dark side is not complete.

She wants the Clintons and their flying monkeys out of the way, for sure. But her reason for that is they are in the way of live and potentially relevant Democrats, not that they are corrupt examples of the worst kind of public officials.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, now up FR, "News Unfit to Print."

38 posted on 05/15/2003 8:41:04 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Saddam has left the building. Heck, the building has left the building.")
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To: shortstop
If the issue is ethics, no one has less than Sidney Blumenthal. He used to call me during the Dukakis campaign, which I was running and he was supposed to be covering, to offer covert advice, which if I accepted might result in better coverage.

Repeat after me:

There is no liberal bias,

there is no liberal bias,

there is no...

39 posted on 05/15/2003 8:41:17 AM PDT by cyncooper (The New York Times is not a source for truth)
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To: firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; RaceBannon; Cacique; Clemenza; rmlew; NYC GOP Chick; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ping list.

40 posted on 05/15/2003 8:42:23 AM PDT by nutmeg (USA: Land of the Free - Thanks to the Brave)
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To: blackdog
She should cut back on those 5 packs of Virginia slims she smokes per day.

So that's why Susan sounds EXACTLY like Charlie Rangel!!!! I swear, if I step out of the room where the TV is, it's hard to tell who I'm listening to--Susan or Rangel!! ROFLOL

41 posted on 05/15/2003 8:43:41 AM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: goodnesswins
Susan sees that we...really don't want X42 to go away.....

Yup. The best part is there is NO ONE brave enough to tell the clintbillies they are yesterday's trash.

42 posted on 05/15/2003 8:46:15 AM PDT by mombonn (Have you prayed for your President yet today?)
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To: shortstop
"Bill Clinton is a brilliant man."

Brilliant? Deviously cunning in a criminal kind of way, maybe, but not brilliant.
43 posted on 05/15/2003 8:47:10 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (USMC Retired)
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To: Miss Marple
"I think the democrats are hypnotized by the Clintons and cannot escape their hold."

And maybe there is just a little blackmail in the mix as well.
44 posted on 05/15/2003 8:47:14 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: shortstop
Why is it every guy named "Sydney" seems to be a punk?!
45 posted on 05/15/2003 8:47:31 AM PDT by blake6900
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To: shortstop
Please keep Bubba and his Hildebea$t on the stage. Let them whine and shriek. The author points out what happens when they do their thing on stage.

Hillary Clinton is never going to be president of the United States. There is no more divisive figure in the Democratic Party, much less the country, than the former first lady. And I like her. But many women don't. Even Democratic women. Even working women. Not to mention nonworking, independent, non political women. She can be a great senator. She's smart, hard-working and effective. She is much respected among her peers.

But the more people who talk about her as a future president, the less attention the current candidates, who might win, receive.

Revisiting the scandals of the past does no service to the Democrats of the future.

Bill Clinton is a brilliant man. But the more attention he gets, the more the Democrats of the future suffer. He would be the first to say this, if it weren't about him.

Most rat voters in the US (the live ones) can't identify the 9 fairies the DNC has tripping over each other to be the DNC head fairy for 2004. Everytime one of the Clintoons gets on stage, their cult forgets the 9 fairy wanna bes.

Bubba and the Hildebeast are like an investment for our side. May they keep whining and shrieking on stage!

46 posted on 05/15/2003 8:49:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has The NY Slimes ever printed the truth in your life time?)
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To: shortstop
"I sent a copy of this to Rush. Let's see if he brings it up."
My memory may be fading & I don't get a chance to listen to Rush very often. But, I seem to recall that Rush said he wasn't going to mention either Bill/Hill once he became x42. Has Rush been true to his word - I know Sean Hannity can't let a day go by without bringing them up.
The question is - who can't let go.
47 posted on 05/15/2003 8:51:07 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: shortstop
They're brilliant. But they're trouble. But they're brilliant. But they're trouble. But they're bri.......What is this, an article or a tennis match?
48 posted on 05/15/2003 8:53:15 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: shortstop
Just so we know why we love our 'Ann'.


49 posted on 05/15/2003 8:57:39 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: shortstop
"The 2004 candidates need a chance to get some attention, to rise to Clinton's level". You mean "Sink" to Clinton's level. There's nothing lower than the Clintons.
50 posted on 05/15/2003 9:06:48 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Freedom isn't free, it's the most costly gift you'll ever receive.)
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