Useful Quotes: (for banning handguns)

Handgun-Free America ^

[Drew68]

I found this site while perusing another thread: National Survey Results: Columbine Generation Fears Gun Violence on Campuses and have found myself entertained by it.

Here is a selection of quotes from gun-grabbers that I found amusing --particularly since most of these folks have since been rendered powerless.

Hope this hasn't been posted before.

Enjoy!

and check out the rest of their site!

[MediaMole]

"If it were up to me, We'd ban them all." - Rep. Mel Reynolds, CNN Crossfire, 12/9/93.

"I hit the lotto!" -- Rep. Mel Reynolds, upon learning that his underage girlfriend was bringing over her Catholic-Schoolgirl friend for a threesome.

[annyokie]

bump!

[IronJack]

And now the only quote that matters:

"A well-regulated milita, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Amendment II, United States Constitution

[Psycho_Bunny]

When handguns are banned All Your Base really will belong to Them.

[Drew68]

"I hit the lotto!"

I forgot all about that!!! I knew I recognized his name LOL!!!

[Drew68]

And now the only quote that matters:

If you go to their website (which I recommend for it is highly amusing) they repeat the old, tired song-and-dance about how "militia" means Nat'l Guard and not individuals.

yawn...

[Ben Bolt]

Excellent resource Drew . This is a bookmark .

[drew]

Someone who was taking an anti-gun position once pointed out that the language of the second ammendment calls for a well-regulated milita, and that pro gun people always gloss over that terminology, meaning, to him, that it was never intended for anyone to get any gun at any time and that restrictive laws were therefore constitutional. What is the position of the NRA on that opinion? I'm not taking up an anti-gun position but rather playing devil's advocate here. I thought it was a good point but wonder what some counter arguments are?

[Normal4me]

mi·li·tia ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-lsh) n. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.

Works for me. I am an army of one belonging to an army of many.

[IronJack]

You've been handed the red herring argument. Notice that the amendment doesn't read "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." So whatever the "well-regulated militia" clause means, it in no way confers or limits the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms.

In other words, it's irrelevant.

[JCG]

And we thought the French were surrender monkeys.

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[Reactionary]

"Well-regulated" doesn't mean that the ownership of guns should be regulated in the sense of being restricted. It means to "put or maintain in order."

[Drew68]

I thought it was a good point but wonder what some counter arguments are?

All the Bill of Rights pertain to INDIVIDUAL rights. That is why they are there in the first place. The First Amendment does not only pertain to well-regulated newspaper publishers.

In a way, I wish the USSC would just take a position on this and settle it once and for all.

Although, if the USSC declares it a "collective" right and not an "individual" right, I'm still not giving up my guns. Free men may keep guns regardless of what some black-robed judges say.

[So Cal Rocket]

But... after the comma... it says "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Note that it doesn't say "the right of a militia to keep...". Every other Amendment in the Bill of Rights which uses the term "people" calls for a right conferred on an individual, not a collective.

SCR

[Psycho_Bunny]

"If I were writing the Bill of Rights now there wouldn't be any such thing as the Second Amendment... This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud', on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state.  The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kink of weapon he or she desires."
             - Warren Burger, former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, Parade Magazine, 1/14/90

 

"The project of disciplining all the militia of the United
States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of
being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military
movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not
a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it.
To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes
of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through
military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to
acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the
character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to
the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would
form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country,
to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the
people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil
establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would
abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent,
would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed,
because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be
aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them
properly armed and equipped"

    -Alexander Hamilton, Principal architect of the justice system in which Warren Burger was employed, FEDERALIST No. 29, 01/10/1788

 

EAT IT, WARREN.

[IYAS9YAS]

Okay...the First Amendment has long been interpreted as this..."the People" equals individuals...But when looking at the 2nd Amendment, the grabbers and liberals ingore the statement of "the People" and try to infer "State".

[Billthedrill]

"Well-regulated" meant to the people who wrote it, that the militia should be drilled. Militias were broadly classed as regulated, meaning organized and drilling, and unregulated, meaning essentially every male citizen between 18 and 40. Among other details, a "regulated" militia could be required to keep a stipulated amount of ammunition and a specific type of firearm to hand; an unregulated one could only be directed to show up.

I think the emphasis being on the independent clause meant that the right of the people to keep and bear arms was a necessary condition for them to form a well-regulated militia, and that infringing it would ultimately infringe on their society's ability to defend itself. Stating that the dependent clause, the "militia" clause, is the main emphasis means that the amendment does not apply to "the people" per se, but only those in the militia, which would make it truly unique in the Bill of Rights. To state either one and then hold that it only applies to sporting weapons is simply weird.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kink of weapon he or she desires."

The very language of the Second Amendment refutes Justice Burger's claim:

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I'm people. We are all people. Why is that language unclear?

[chainsaw]

Amendment II, United States Constitution
"A well-regulated milita, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

tired song-and-dance about how "militia" means Nat'l Guard and not individuals.

When the 2nd amendment was written, there was no such thing as a National Guard.

Militia is defined as:

1.An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2.A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3.The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.