WHO: Drop in Beijing SARS Cases May Be Due to Misdiagnosis

Doctor's Guide News ^ | May 16, 2003

[firewalk]

Thank you

[SauronOfMordor]

And all the death rates are screwed when you compare deaths vs. recovered if you count them as recovered and send them home during the second relapse - and that's when they're at their most infectious. It would seem like the Chinese government is determined to send them home, there's no problem here, they're healed.

I think the problem is at a lower and more fundamental level for a Communist society. The top guys demand results, namely "patients cured". The low-level guys are pressured to report results, so the easy solution is to cover up the problem as much as possible by sending people home and reporting them "cured"

[per loin]

That "letter" had hoax spilled all over it. The writer did not even know the correct name of the county he/she was supposedly writing from. The ending section on prisons was sloppily spliced onto the beginning of another sentence in a manner which made it incoherent. Nor is it likely that an outbreak of that magnitude (20 deaths on a single shift in one month) would go unnnoticed in that not heavily populated area. Further, the writer chose to not only remain anonymous, but refused to give the name of the hospital for reasons that did not make sense. In short, a hoax.

[EternalHope]

In short, a hoax.

Looks that way to me, too.

In fairness to Watchman123, who's been around since 1999, I suspect he was simply taken in by an internet hoax. There are certainly plenty of them around.

[per loin]

Yes. The Beijing numbers are garbage. If we use them to compute the Beijing death rate by the Niman method, (deaths / [deaths + recoveries]) we get a 32% death rate in Beijing. I suspect this means that many cases are not being reported.

[EternalHope]

Good catch. More Chicom lies, this time exposed by the internal inconsistencies in their own reported numbers.

[riri]

I have posted two articles from rense.com (with warnings that they are Rense.com sourced) that claim to be from a repiratory therapist in Northern California making these claims. I wish I knew if this Watchman123 was posting the same or additional first hand info.

I think that is important because if it is something independent of what has been posted on Rense.com then I would say it is more pointing to the direction of the info on Rense.com actually having some merit.

However, if it is just what is off rense's site then we are back to square one. Meaning some shady information for a tin-foily kinda source.

Do you catch my drift? Are either of you familiar with what I have posted re: Northen California hospitals and SARS? And if you are, was what Aristeides posted--the same story?

[per loin]

SPECULATION: The Chinese Five/Five Cure for SARS in Beijing
	Five 1	Five 2	Five 3	Five 4	Five 5
Day 1	152	69	48	39
Day 2	101	98	54	27
Day 3	122	70	42	28
Day 4	96	97	48	19
Day 5	114	94	48
Averages	117	85.6	48	28.25

[Judith Anne]

I know what you're talking about.

[Judith Anne]

I'm sorry to be dense, but I don't understand your post...would you please explain it a bit? Looks interesting...

[Trust but Verify]

Yes, the Robinson's are in on the conspiracy. It was just a matter of time......../sarcasm

[per loin]

It's just speculation on the pattern of numbers that the Chinese have decided upon as the appropriate pattern in which they defeated SARS.

[Judith Anne]

Okay, per loin, thanks. ;-D

riri, I went back to Rense.com and re-read that article posted about SARS in N. California. Here's the first paragraph:

Angie xxxxxx requested that I speak with you about a pattern we are seeing in our patients at Kaiser Hospital, Vallejo, CA. I am a respiratory therapist (20 years in the field) and I have been working for the past 30 days, almost exclusively, with our "atypical" pneumonia patients. Ninety to ninety-five percent of the patients I have had since March 9th on my documentation records, have had the following patterns of presentation and outcomes:

Et cetera. Anyone who wants to read it can find it here:

http://www.rense.com/general37/pattern.htm That location and hospital name was specific, it would seem to me that the article could be verified or not. There was also a Sacramento hospital mentioned in that article...The writer doesn't mention precautions the writer took to avoid becoming infected, if any...so I am still with you, I have to question the veracity.

[per loin]

Hmmm. Parts of that letter appeared in another letter that ended with a statement about fear for the prison inmates. That letter was written by someone who said they wished to remain anonymous, and worked in a hospital in Napa/Solono [sic] County.

[per loin]

Astraea Kelly (can there be two of them in the Bay Area?) appears to be a left wing activist with ties to Teamster's Local 665 and Laney College. Also involved in "solidarity' projects with health care workers.

[Judith Anne]

To me, left-wing activist=non-credible source. ;-D

I'm going to post a CNN article, though, about US preparedness for SARS...I'm slow, it takes me a few minutes, but it should be up shortly.

[aristeides]

People on this thread seem to be concluding that the original report was probably bogus. Don't you think it's better to have people reach such a conclusion for all to see than to have the report pulled with no clear explanation given?

[per loin]

Here is some more of her:

Theory of SARS Origins:

I developed a theory while watching our SARS-LIKE presentation  develop at Kaiser Hospital Vallejo, California and believe it has merit.

We had two health care workers travel to Thailand for the sexual tourism attractions in Southern Thailand in 2002.  They left around Thanksgiving and came back just before or after Christmas.  They flew through Hong Kong both in and out of Thailand.  While in Hong Kong or Bangkok, and early in their trips, they both got what we thought then was the Hong Kong Flu.  They said it was the worst flu they  had ever had and both reported feeling as if they had very high temperatures.  They recovered and went on to Southern Thailand to Patong.  They both made many memories with the prostitutes there, who have HIV of 20% or more in their community.

Most of the Thai men do not wear condoms.  Caucasian men, usually do,  but the condoms are noted to break or leak heavily due to the moist heat in the tropics and from the physical stress of a larger organ going into a much smaller organ with rapid friction.  Patong and Southern Thailand are noted for their child prostitution and some illegal child imported female sexual slavery. Patong is on a coast with an old history of sea travel to Malaysia and China.

They are in the middle of the "golden triangle".  Drugs are very prevalent and easily obtained, regardless of Thai government policy.  The police are very liberal in law enforcement for non nations and wish to keep the situation friendly for the tourism industry.
 
Gibbons, a monkey, is especially noted in Patong and surrounding night club areas for being used and mistreated in sexual acts with humans for cheap entertainment and "live" pornography acts.   There is an animal shelter in Patong that rehabilitates the Gibbons from such practices and releases them back into the wild.  In SARS. we are looking for a human to animal contact where the virus may have jumped species and mutated.  We haven't found the animal in China.  I think we should investigate Thailand Gibbons. They have caves and tropical heat, which are wonderful breeding dens for
tropical fever viruses.  We have an animal to woman's sexual vaginal areas, which is a structure being examined for the SARS mutational sequences. We have high international travel routes, primarily by air routes into Thailand.

We have secretion mixing with sexual practices.  The men report 50 to 60 hits per day from prostitutes wanting to show the men their favors.  In other words, we have a lot action going on and interactions.  Thailand is a communist government with easy and close access to China.  Businessmen and government agents and diplomatic liaisons from all over the world come to enjoy the natural beauty, low prices, and male "Disneyland" pleasures.   And we have frequent monkey to human sexual contacts, released back into the wild.  The women from these monkey acts probably then also sleep with human men afterwards.
 
 I don't believe Thailand allowed WHO physicians in to see their atypical pneumonia patients.  But there was a reported Italian physician hospitalized in Thailand in November with SARS.  I am trying to find the information on what hospital he was in.  If you know that information, please forward it to me.
 
Our health care workers who were in Thailand in November to December, both males in their 20's and Caucasian, had an encounter with a prostitute from a local bar.  One of the men went with the prostitute on a late night ride to see her family member who was sick and hospitalized in a Patong hospital.   Then this worker came home to the U.S.
in late December and was sick on his way back to the U.S. However, he immediately went back  to work at Kaiser Vallejo Hospital, and worked with compromised patients for 39 days in a row.  His travel partner worked as many days ,also, but at many facilities in the North Bay  Area, along with Kaiser Vallejo.  Then we started seeing a mild pneumonia pattern in January with our patients, but we really didn't think it odd, it was pneumonia season then.  Then these same pneumonia patients are coming back now, with our strange "atypical pneumonia" picture and they are severely ill. They report they never got feeling better after discharge and have never felt "normal" since January hospitalizations. Some have died. Some have recovered on second admission.

Then in March we saw this whole wave of patterns, as I described in my last email to you of "SARS-LIKE" patterns leading to higher mortality than we have ever consistently seen at our hospital, or any of us can remember.

Now in Cambodia, a SARS-LIKE outbreak has been reported in the last week with 300 infected and 7 deaths.  Cambodia boarders Thailand. Our "Thailand boys" have also been with the tourist markets again.  Also of note, is that our HIV started here in the U.S. in 1980 in San Francisco.  This is also the same year that Thailand began it's "tourism" business trade for international travelers.

And then we have an HIV outbreak in 1980, at the same time as we have international sexual tourism starting in Thailand.   I think we have infected Gibbons being released back into the wild after some viral mutation from human to sexual contacts for "entertainment" on a regular and ongoing basis.  I think we should go to Thailand and track Gibbons for  a possible source contamination to both HIV and SARS investigation.
 
Of further note, our health worker men from November just returned to Thailand for vacation again in March.  They left on March 27th approximately 1 am from thought to be SF International airport.   They flew into Taiwan with date time change late the 25th or early the 26th.   They went from Taiwan to Thailand, probably landing in Phuket.  They were said to be going to Patong again.  Both left our hospital, after being in the ICU around the areas of the atypical but NON isolation patients.  One was in a Suspect SARS isolation room before he left for the airport. Neither of the men changed their clothes before boarding the airplane, and I seriously doubt they accurately disclosed their SARS contact before entering Thailand, or they would have been in quarantine for their entire vacation.  They emailed back that they had been re-routed through Taiwan instead of Hong Kong and they were fine and having a good time. They should have
returned or are just returning now to the United States from a probable reverse route
through Taiwan.

I was the watching the WHO numbers suddenly inflate on SARS during the 25-26th of March onward.  It was suspected a contaminated plane off loaded in Taiwan.  I thought that timing was very interesting with our male travelers and their unchanged clothes after SARS and SARS-LIKE contact going through an international airport in Taiwan.  Now we have an outbreak of SARS-LIKE in Cambodia, which boarders Thailand.  I do not
know if these men were ever screened for SARS this year.  Every time I attempt to address the issue I am disciplinary threatened at our hospital.  Several of us wanted them  quarantined for 14 days before coming back to work.  Our corporate infectious disease physician stated to me he would only quarantine them if they ran a fever.  That rather ignores the purpose of  a quarantine, which is that someone can be infectious without overt symptoms for a period of time after exposure.  I think it would be interesting to interview the young men on who and where their contacts were and what their travel itinerary was on both trips.

           Astraea Kelly
           Kaiser Hospital Vallejo, CA. 
 
Astraea Kelly
wingsong@earthlink.net
 
Astraea Kelly
wingsong@earthlink.net

[Judith Anne]

per loin, I honestly don't know what to make of that. It's so far out of my experience and knowledge base I simply can't evaluate it.

[Poohbah]

The poster had a screen name like "watch 123" or "watcher 123". But the system now says there is nobody with either name. More mystery.

Hmm.

Newbie shows up on FR.

Newbie posts unsourced thread, claiming a massive SARS outbreak in Northern California.

Newbie claims to be the source.

Sounds like somebody woke up the Viking Kittens.

BTW, there was another newbie with a similar screen name about a month ago, who reported (falsely) that there had been a massive explosion at the Palos Verde nuclear powerplant outside Phoenix.

Draw your own conclusions.