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Muslims Stress Abrahamic Character of America
islam online ^ | 5/17/03

Posted on 05/17/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by knak

WASHINGTON (IslamOnline.net) – A host of leading Muslim organizations in the U.S. are orchestrating a campaign to replace the "Judeo-Christian" phrase in describing the values and character that define the U.S. with a one that would not exclude its more than 8 million Muslim population, reported the Newhouse News Service.

The change campaigners, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance, the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council, stress it is high time for Americans to stop using the outdated phrase and replace it with "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic," in reference to Abraham (Ibrahim), the patriarch held in common by the three monotheistic religions.

Dr. Agha K. Saeed, founder and chairman of the American Muslim Alliance, a Fremont-based political group, underlined that "the new language should be used in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places."

U.S. President George W. Bush is always quick to add "mosques," when he mentions "churches and synagogues."

"These are not just let's-make-you-feel-good words," he said, asserting that "these are words that define how we're related to each other."

Dr. Zahid Bukhari, vice president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), says that an inclusive change of language could alter the perception that the U.S. as a Christian country is hell-bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade.

Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council, is quick to assert, "What we call Western culture is in fact based on Muslim Middle East culture, but the average American doesn't know that."

"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments," asserts Hannah Hawk, a spokesperson for the Houston Muslim Public Affairs Council.

"Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

Pros & Cons

The call for new terms, which shows that words carry huge symbolic importance for Muslims trying to find their role in America after Sept. 11 and the Iraq war, has its proponents and opponents.

The campaign is significantly backed by non-Muslim organizations, including the head of the National Council of Churches.

Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."

"The more inclusive we can be, the more committed we are to the founding fathers and mothers who struggled with the issue of respect for each other's religious faiths," he asserted.

The Right wing Christians are, however, opposed to this change and claim that to alter the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is political correctness and revisionist history at its worst.

"A lot of the ideas that underpin civil liberties come from Judeo-Christian theology," said Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them," he argued, turning a blind eye to the increasingly important role that Muslims are playing in the American society.

Another opinion based on ill-informed view of Islam comes from Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, who alleges that a "Judeo-Christian understanding of things like freedom of conscience and liberty" are embodied in the American Constitution.

He claimed that "Muslims weren’t part of that, even though they’re part pf the discussion now, " forgetting they have been in the U.S. for over 200 years.


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KEYWORDS: abrahamic; judeochristian; muslimamericans
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I know I've posted a couple things today muslims but I think we need to realize that these people have an agenda! They need to be stopped.
1 posted on 05/17/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
I know I've posted a couple things today muslims but I think we need to realize that these people have an agenda! They need to be stopped.

Just like the homosexual agenda.
You start by taking out all the words that make it bad and go from there.

2 posted on 05/17/2003 8:13:32 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
Just another Joe, speaks words of great wisdom!
Those 8 million need to be deported asap!!!!
3 posted on 05/17/2003 8:16:44 PM PDT by MeekMom ((HUGE Ann Coulter Fan!!!) (Life-long Python Addict))
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""Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

Yikes, that's scarey. They claim Western culture and values are similar to Islamic ones, meanwhile, they are blowing up icons of Western culture wherever they can. Would you buy a used car from this man?

4 posted on 05/17/2003 8:19:19 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: knak
No thanks. There are numerous contradictions and incompatibilities between the Qran and the Bible. They simply cannot be reconciled, on significant matters of fact, history, and moral teaching.

Christians traditionally accept as true everything in the Hebrew Bible. Muslims do not.

The Christian God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Muslim God is the God of Abraham and Ishmael. Even there, the names are the same but the story is different.
5 posted on 05/17/2003 8:20:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: knak
Judeo-Christian-Islamic

SAY WHAT??!!

6 posted on 05/17/2003 8:23:43 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Cicero
ONCE AGAIN, MUSLIMS DEMAND TO NEVER BE OFFENDED.

These are the same muslims who never denounced 9/11 or any act of terror.

These are the same muslims who's only comment after 9/11 was. "Uh Oh! I'm going to be repressed."

I've had it up to here with PC attitudes!

7 posted on 05/17/2003 8:24:45 PM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: knak
Don't forget the Hindus, Buddist, Daoist, and Animist, and the Gays & Lesbians
8 posted on 05/17/2003 8:26:08 PM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: knak
Fifty years after they quit blowing us up, I will consider it.
9 posted on 05/17/2003 8:27:37 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: Cyclops08
These are the same muslims who never denounced 9/11 or any act of terror.

You said it! This sums up my outrage!

10 posted on 05/17/2003 8:29:53 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: knak
Previous Thread:

Three Faiths -- Has the United States Become Judeo-Christian-Islamic?


11 posted on 05/17/2003 8:30:32 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Just another Joe
Just like the homosexual agenda. You start by taking out all the words that make it bad and go from there.

Bingo..

12 posted on 05/17/2003 8:33:06 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: T Minus Four
Dr. Zahid Bukhari, vice president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), says that an inclusive change of language could alter the perception that the U.S. as a Christian country is hell-bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade.

Hogwash. The Arabs are feeding their people this line relentlessly from the day of their birth and it is they who believe in converting by fire and sword and who believe in the spread of Islam by force. This is the same trick as liberals use - accuse others of what they are doing. Despicable!

13 posted on 05/17/2003 8:38:05 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: knak
stop using the outdated phrase and replace it with "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic,"

I've got it-- how about "Allahaic"?

14 posted on 05/17/2003 8:39:12 PM PDT by fat city
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To: knak
The term "Judeo-Christian" is used because of the profound impact of the Hebrew ("Old Testament") and Christian ("New Testament") scriptures on American history and thinking,

The only significant impact of the Koran on American life was at the World Trade Center on 9-11.

15 posted on 05/17/2003 8:58:59 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: MeekMom
A lot of those 8 million are US citizens. You planning on deporting them, too?
16 posted on 05/17/2003 9:00:06 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: knak
Oh, so now it's grown overnight to eight million muslims in the US.

They could at least put that in quotation marks. Journalists are such weenies.

17 posted on 05/17/2003 9:01:52 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Poohbah
I most certainly would if I could!
No killers on our land is what I say!
18 posted on 05/17/2003 9:04:53 PM PDT by MeekMom ((HUGE Ann Coulter Fan!!!) (Life-long Python Addict))
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To: Cyclops08
They are a bunch of effing liars. If they are so "Abrahamic", why then do they refuse to live in peace with the descendants of Abraham in ISRAEL????
19 posted on 05/17/2003 9:06:29 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: MeekMom
Congratulations!

You just gave the Hillary Clinton Administration the go-ahead to deport all "conservative Christian" US citizens if someone fitting that description blows up a building full of people, piously shouting "No killers in our land is what I say!"
20 posted on 05/17/2003 9:08:09 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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