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"Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act" (H.R. 235)
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Posted on 05/19/2003 8:10:22 PM PDT by webber

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To: gdani
What universe do you live in? Do you know why a crook can't find a policeman? It's because they aren't looking for one. And that's why you can't find churches which had their tax-exempt status removed because they dared to speak on that "anathema" subject: POLITICS." Unbelievers do not search out religious articles to read. So it's only obvious why YOU can't find any.
141 posted on 05/22/2003 8:27:54 PM PDT by webber (The atheist: "The law doesn't apply to me so I don't care that they don't have freedom of speech.")
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To: jimt
You may be able to read, but unfortunately, rock does not absorb very well.
142 posted on 05/22/2003 8:34:09 PM PDT by webber (The atheist: "The law doesn't apply to me so I don't care that they don't have freedom of speech.")
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To: gdani
Your arguement only proves the point that this is a Christian nation. If it were not, there would be no arguement as to what is Christian and what is not. DUH!!!
143 posted on 05/22/2003 8:36:18 PM PDT by webber (The atheist: "The law doesn't apply to me so I don't care that they don't have freedom of speech.")
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To: Gargantua
England was the Theocracy. The only religion allowed was the Anglican Church, and decrees were corrupted by the head of that Anglican Church because they were appointed (encouraged by force by the gov't) one that was favorable to the secular government. That's why the Pilgrims left that theocracy. They didn't want a State owned Church telling their parishoners who to worship, how to worship, when to worship, and that the only church allowed was the Anglican Church. They came to America to establish a Christian Nation. NOT a Theocratic Government.
144 posted on 05/22/2003 8:43:26 PM PDT by webber (Antes de hablar, es bueno pensar!)
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To: jimt
I noticed that you quoted Thomas Jefferson, when he became disillusioned with his faith, but toward the end of his life, he returned to his faith in God, not as a Deist, but a participator, comforter God who is involved in the very lives of His creation. It was at this point that Thomas Jefferson wrote, and which you so conveniently decided to omit (Cut,Copy,Paste):

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." --Thomas Jefferson

145 posted on 05/22/2003 8:55:51 PM PDT by webber
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To: Dave S
Here you go again harping on the law again by Lyndon B. Johnson. This article is about Changing that law so that Churches will have the same right as citizens of the United States. As it is now, only the leftwing pseudo-Christian churches are allowed to speak about politics and invite ultra left-wing, pseudo-christian politicians to their churches and preach on politics, who they should vote for, collect offerings FOR THE LIBERAL CANDIDATE, etc. This is going to make it so that EVERY CHURCH, without exception can speak on the subject of politics. So why do you have a problem with that? Would it be that you don't want more conservative ideas being spread throughout our land, you jackass in Elephant's clothing you?
146 posted on 05/22/2003 9:11:13 PM PDT by webber
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To: Gargantua
"Congress is Constitutionally prohibited from passing any law regarding the establishment of a religion. You can't get even the most rudimentary of facts straight, can you?"

I noticed that you used that cut, copy, paste technique again that you so love to use. You forgot the phrase: "...and the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF".

147 posted on 05/22/2003 9:18:07 PM PDT by webber (It is better to keep one's mouth closed, & be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.)
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To: webber
So why do you have a problem with that? Would it be that you don't want more conservative ideas being spread throughout our land, you jackass in Elephant's clothing you?

Rather than go out and act like DEMOCRATS and LIBERALS why dont you get the Justice DEpartment to enforce the current law. Quit bitching about poor me, little Christian, I cant deal with the world. Why dont you go to the IRS with claims against those you say are breaking the law. The IRS pays bounties to those that turn in others. You're just as Jackass in whatever cloting.

148 posted on 05/22/2003 9:32:40 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: webber
You forgot the phrase: "...and the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF".

Since when is politics your religion? If I remember correct those in Jesus time who were so concerned about politics were the Sanhedrin and Judas who many believe was a revolutionary wanting to take on Rome and was expecting Jesus to be an earthly Messiah.

149 posted on 05/22/2003 9:36:56 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: webber
"They came to America to establish a Christian Nation."

Amen. That's what I've been saying all along.

150 posted on 05/23/2003 7:16:01 AM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: Dave S
And why don't you get educated before you spew your stupidity on this website!
151 posted on 05/24/2003 12:07:19 PM PDT by webber (It is better to keep one's mouth closed, & be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.)
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To: Dave S
The very fact that the 1st Amendment exists in our constitution and "IN GOD WE TRUST" is on all our currency, and "UNDER GOD" is in our pledge of Allegiance, and "GOD SAVE THIS COURT" is recited at the beginning of EVERY COURT HEARING in the Supreme Court of the United States, and "A PRAYER IS PRAYED" before EVERY session of the House of Representative AND Senate, and EVERY court witness must PLACE THEIR HAND ON THE BIBLE before giving their testimony, shows that religion is involved in gov't. It doesn't mean the gov't is my religion. Get it straight. You have a one track mind. religion IN gov't doesn't mean it's an establishment of religion BY gov't. It's when the GOV"T decides to have a Gov't Church and allows only that gov't church to be legal in the country that falls in the "Establishing a religion" meaning of the First Amendment. "The Free Exercise of Religion" does NOT have a qualification after it; it's "And the free exercise therof.....PERIOD!!!!
152 posted on 05/24/2003 12:22:31 PM PDT by webber (It is better to keep one's mouth closed, & be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.)
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To: webber
The Free Exercise of Religion" does NOT have a qualification after it; it's "And the free exercise therof.....PERIOD!!!!

And you are calling me stupid? What a joke. Say my religion, based on visions from God, says that I must kill and eat ten Bible Thumpers per week. Does society have so no say in the matter? Cant it protect itself? What if in the practice of my religion I call for a Jihad against all Christians and Jews, are you saying that is in my free exercise therefore? Say I errect a church in an area not zoned for churches, are you saying that a municipality cant prohibit construction?

There are limits or qualifications on all of the rights in the constitution. No rights are unlimited.

153 posted on 05/24/2003 2:41:51 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: webber
The 501c3 exemption only deals with religion.

Not true. Deals with non-profits.

154 posted on 05/24/2003 2:46:54 PM PDT by Dave S
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bttt.
155 posted on 06/21/2003 3:59:26 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: webber
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156 posted on 03/24/2004 8:39:22 AM PST by DrewsDad
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