Posted on 05/20/2003 8:14:33 AM PDT by theoverseer
Sodomy statutes are clearly "sharia"-style laws
You really believe that JEFFERSON was a MUSLIM:
Thomas Jefferson on Sodomy Sect. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least. Peterson, Merrill D. "Crimes and Punishments" Thomas Jefferson: Writings Public Papers (Literary Classics of the United States, Inc. 1984) pp. 355, 356.
all homosexuals think one way
Compared with their heterosexual peers, homosexual men were at greater risk for psychiatric disorders, including mood and anxiety disorders, bipolar disorders, major depression, obsessive-compulsive disorders, panic disorder, agoraphobia, social phobia, and simple phobia. ---Theo G. M. Sandfort, Archives of General Psychiatry Vol. 58, Number . , 2001. Page(s) 85-91.
Texas Phys.Resource Council, Christian Med. & Dental Association, Catholic Med.Association Sodomy is an efficient method of transmitting STDs. And regardless of the reason, same-sex sodomy is far more effective in spreading STDs than opposite-sex sodomy. Multiple studies have estimated that 40 percent or more of men who practice anal sex acquire STDs. In fact, same-sex sodomy has resulted in the transformation of diseases previously transmitted only through fecally contaminated food and water into sexually caused diseases primarily among those who practice same-sex sodomy.
Homosexual behavior increases risk of AIDS - Dr. Brian J. Kopp, ... An exhaustive study in The New England Journal of Medicine, medical literature's only study reporting on homosexuals who kept sexual "diaries," indicated the average homosexual ingests the fecal material of 23 different men each year.
Medical Consequences of What Homosexuals Do FECAL SEX About 80% of gays (see Table) admit to licking and/or inserting their tongues into the anus of partners and thus ingesting medically significant amounts of feces. Those who eat or wallow in it are probably at even greater risk. In the diary study,5 70% of the gays had engaged in this activity--half regularly over 6 months. Result? --the "annual incidence of hepatitis A in...homosexual men was 22 percent, whereas no heterosexual men acquired hepatitis A." In 1992,26 it was noted that the proportion of London gays engaging in oral/anal sex had not declined since 1984.
Citizens Against Government Waste Since the first federal resources were made available to state and local health agencies for AIDS prevention in 1985, federal funding, which now includes money for research, treatment, and housing, has skyrocketed to $13 billion for fiscal 2003. As a result of the work of highly mobilized lobbying forces, more is spent per patient on AIDS than on any other disease, though it does not even currently rank among the top 15 causes of death in the United States. In one year, 1998, heart disease, the nation's leading cause of death, killed 724,859 Americans only 6.8 percent less than the 774,767 who have contracted AIDS in the last 20 years.2 Of those 774,767 total AIDS cases, 462,766 have died. During that same period, 14 million Americans 30 times more have died of heart disease.
The fact is, there is a concerted effort by activist groups to promote homosexuality as "normal", "good" and something to be celebrated.
It's an agenda, and being promoted by homosexual advocacy groups. What the heck should it be called other than a "homosexual agenda" ?
As you know, slander and misrepresentation are among the most grevious sins in jewish eyes and it seems to me that you have slandered me most egregiously. I believe in Torah, I just don't believe that x-ians can have their cake and eat it to when it comes to interpreting Torah in their daily lives.
I realized when I wrote my initial post that I might be making a mistake and misinterpreting your position, but I recklessly continued based on my emotions. Slander is like murder, and I have indeed committed a great sin. I must therefore apologize to you publicly, before joesnuffy and all FReepers, as well as ask for your forgiveness as well as that of HaShem Yitbarakh. My public slander of an innocent is indefensible.
I am sorry that I reacted emotionally, but as an observant Noachide I am so sensitive to (and unfortunately accustomed to) the stereotype that chr*stians are "Bible-believers" and defenders of morality while Jews are liberal non-believers. I am furious at Horowitz for publicly condemning the Torah's anti-homosexual attitude, a position for which his Jewishness will be blamed, you may be sure. Yet he had to invoke J*sus to make his liberal point! (This is not the first case of a Jewish liberal having to invoke the "arch-conservative" J*sus to justify his position.) I saw your initial post to joesnuffy and, instead of first checking your other posts or your posting history, reacted emotionally. I certainly do not consider belief in the "new testament" to be necessary for one to be a "true conservative" (in fact, no believer in a "new testament" can truly be a conservative). However, Horowitz has done real damage and this cannot be brushed under the rug. However hypocritical his chr*stian critics, he deserves only condemnation and no defense. Biblical morality has again been identified with chr*stianity, and opposition to Biblical law again identified with Judaism. G-d help us.
As for myself, I am an observant Noachide, which means that although not Jewish I acknowledge the Torah as G-d's Ultimate Truth. I utterly reject chr*stianity and every other false religion. However, while your consternation at the chr*stians is understandable, you are wrong to demand that they first observe the entire Torah before having the right to condemn homosexuality. As a matter of fact, non-Jews are explicitly not supposed to observe the Shabbat or Yamim Tovim as Jews do (though life is to revolve around the Jewish calendar), and there are other Jewish laws which are explicitly forbidden to non-Jews as well. As for others (such as eating pork), while they may be voluntarily adopted by non-Jews, they are not and cannot be considered absolute requirements. Non-Jews are forbidden only to eat meat or drink blood taken from an animal while it was still alive. Therefore you are mistaken to imply that non-Jews are not supposed to eat pork and are "picking and choosing" if they do otherwise. (In fact, non-Jews are permitted to bring as whole burnt offerings any clean beast, as Noach did, and are not restricted to those animals permitted as sacrifices to Jews.)
While I was wrong, I nevertheless urge you to be extremely cautious so as to avoid giving false impressions of Judaism. I realize that considering my own impetuosity this is somewhat hypocritical, but at least my idiosyncracies aren't likely to be applied to the entire Jewish people.
Shalom uverakhah.
See Acts 10:10-16.
B Knotts,
Read the entire story and contemplate Acts 10:28. G-d showed Peter that he was not to consider the gentiles unclean. The vision was not an endorsement on pork chops and ham and cheese sandwiches, G-d forbid.
X-ians claim that "all" of G-d's word is inspired, inerrant and consistent yet the way most xians interpret it is very inconisistent when you see in Torah that we are not supposed to eat pork and in the "New Testament" it's ok.
Isaiah 66:17 says, "Those who santify themselves, and purify themselves to go into the gardens, behind one tree inthe middle, eating swine flesh, and the hateful then, and the mouse, will be cut off together, says the L-ORD."
I can't remember where this quote comes from, but it seems approps (sp?) here: 'the Moral Majority is neither moral nor a majority'.
As I said on another thread concerning this subject; their (Fundies and/or Evangels) input is welcome, and can be put to the good, but if they think they're going to intimidate this President or this President's followers into blind acquiesence to their agenda, they'd better think again.
If they want to walk, that's A OK. Better a party rid itself of it's more fanatical sects, if it can.
going to intimidate this President or this President's followers
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