Chimps Now to be Considered Humans

National Geographic ^ | 5/19/2003 | kkindt

[F.J. Mitchell]

Not only that, but Raccoons have opposing thumbs just like humans, and they don't even run in minor local political elections. It takes more than opposing thumbs to be human, otherwise Chimps would rule- They have opposing thumbs on both their feet and their hands.

[Junior]

A wild chimp's only tool-using skill is to fish for insects with sticks.

Well, they also use hammer and anvil stones for cracking nuts.

[cake_crumb]

"So it really doesn't matter to you if it is true or not.... you are worried about how the truth will affect your politics or your faith"

That was totally uncalled for.

Of COURSE it matter to me if it's true...what part of "I don't have a problem with reclassifying apes" did you choose not to understand?

As far as my concern for the environazis using this to shove their agenda down our throats...you must not know much about them. They could care less about the environment. Theirs is a political agenda under a cloak of environmentalism. They don't want conservation. They want total, untouched, ever unchanging preservationism. Don't start with me on the political front concerning environazis. I've been fighting that wacko crowd for too many decades, I'm PART of conservation and fighting for REAL CONSERVATION, as opposed to an impossible insistance on the preservation of all species unchanged in an attemot to force a one world government on us. Kyoto is part of that.

[F.J. Mitchell]

If Chimps were human enough to resent being insulted, that picture would expose you to a mega libel suit. Lucky for you, Carolina's fastest ambulance chaser and part time Senator, is busy running for President.

[Conservative til I die]

The evolutionists are nothing more than deconstructionists and scientific Marxists. Looks like they'll finally get their wish and make man just another animal.

[cake_crumb]

"The fossil record says you are wrong."

I agree with the fossil record : humans did not evolve from chimps. We emerged from a common ancestor and later diverged into different evolutional paths. Ergo: one did not evolve from the other. The insistance that 'evolutionsts' wasnt us all to believe we evolved from chimps or from monkeys is based on a mistaken premise. In fact, our commen ancestor was basically a lemur, versions of which continue on this planet to the present day even though the paths of evolution for other primates diverged from it early on.

[Aric2000]

Don't like what science says, DEMONIZE it.

Yeah, that's the ticket.......

[Aric2000]

I am trying to figure out why you 2 are arguing.

You are in agreement, why are you jumping all over each other?

[F.J. Mitchell]

Thanks-it's nice to be recognized as a wit occasionaly, rather than a half-wit as is the rule.

[Grit]

Now, biologists at Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, Michigan, provide new genetic evidence that lineages of chimps (currently Pan troglodytes) and humans (Homo sapiens) diverged so recently that chimps should be reclassed as Homo troglodytes.

You underlined the wrong passage.

[Aric2000]

Either that or she was watching too much Star trek 4, the voyage home, maybe she went to Berkeley too.

[cake_crumb]

"You are in agreement, why are you jumping all over each other?"

We're not. We're having a possible difference of opinion on whether domestic dogs evolving from wolves has anything to do with the mistaken premise that humans evolved from chimps.

These threads where the creationists jump all over so-called evolutionists and accusing us of all being socialists are really confusing.

In fact, I think I probably shouldn't have jumped HOD. Sorry HOD if that was a ping to an argument with a creationist. I interpreted it as a flame for my dread of what the environazis will attempt to do with it...politics and science mixing. If it was a ping to help argue with a rabid creationist...sorry.

I'm gonna go read a horror novel. They're the only thing that can brighten my mood.

[TheCrusader]

"Chimpanzees and other apes have historically been separated from humans in classification schemes, with humans deemed the only living members of the hominid family of species"

Apparently scientists haven't met my ex wife yet.

[norton]

"Moving chimps into the human genus might help us to realize our very great likeness, and therefore treasure more and treat humanely our closest relative,"

Somehow I don't picture the people involved in killing off the mountain gorilla or any brand of chimpanze as great readers of National Geographic or anything else for that matter.

[LibKill]

A new report argues that chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should be included in our branch of the tree of life.

I will believe it when they pay income tax, have to put up with all the B.S. laws and regulations as the rest of us, etc.

[HairOfTheDog]

As far as my concern for the environazis using this to shove their agenda down our throats...you must not know much about them.

I know that there are some people whose opinions are all over the board in terms of their validity, and their benefit.

When spotting an opinion that I believe is wrong, my reaction is not to become whatever is equal and opposite, as that is also often going to be wrong.

Fitting something into the correct politic is the last criteria I would use to determine if something is true. There are motives of self-preservation in faith and politics that have nothing to do with the truth.

[lawdude]

Now, where do they stand with respect to the French, Germans, Al-Quaida and Liberals?

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm gonna go read a horror novel. They're the only thing that can brighten my mood.

ROTFL!

[Hodar]

In fact, our commen ancestor was basically a lemur, versions of which continue on this planet to the present day even though the paths of evolution for other primates diverged from it early on.

If your premise is correct, then we would logically have >98.5% in DNA commonality with the Lemur, than we do have with primates. Whereas, the fossil record shows a more primate to human evolution than dual evolutionary branches.

[Hodar]

I think we agree with the fossil record taking a front seat to pure emotionalism. In fact, I appologize if my posts sounded hostile. I was at work, and have to squeeze my posts between the 'boss patrol'. No hostility towards you was intended.

But, I'm not certain about the primate and human evolutionary path agrees with what you are putting forth. We have a pretty clear picture of how primates diverged and evolved into modern day man (re: Dumb and Dummer 2 poster). And genetically, it is becoming clearer, as it looks like man did evolve from primates. I think a lot of people object to the facts, because it somehow conflicts with their interpretation of the bible. If mankind was a process, rather than a project; it all makes sense.