[FITZ]

That's very interesting ---thanks. I've always leaned toward the "intelligent design" theory because the example of birds' wings --- I can see how they could evolve wings but until a wing is evolved enough to let the bird get off the ground, the wings would just be an evolving useless appendage. Mutations that did nothing to enhance survival ---hollowing out bones, loss of digits, growth of feathers, everything else needed for flight wouldn't take place at once or fast enough. A lizard losing it's front legs to become wings doesn't really have a survival advantage.

[Junior]

I can see how they could evolve wings but until a wing is evolved enough to let the bird get off the ground, the wings would just be an evolving useless appendage. Mutations that did nothing to enhance survival ---hollowing out bones, loss of digits, growth of feathers, everything else needed for flight wouldn't take place at once or fast enough. A lizard losing it's front legs to become wings doesn't really have a survival advantage.

Well, feathers evidently came first -- and were used as insulation by warm-blooded or semi warm-blooded dinosaurs. There is strong evidence that even semi-formed wings enabled the bearer to escape predation by helping it climb trees (juvenile birds of some species still use this method).

[kkindt]

Feathers are so complex at the macro level that each element of their complexity - most of it irreducible complexity - could not have 'evloved' at every stage - there has to be a designer who put these together - it is absolutely ridiculous to want to believe in evolution when the facts are so so obvious that these complex microscopic elements of machinery that make up feathers, blood clotting, etc, etc, could never have popped into being with no designer to make it happen. Romans 1:21