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Made in China
Washington Times ^

Posted on 05/20/2003 5:07:02 PM PDT by maui_hawaii

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:03:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Whenever manufacturers get together today, the topic of conversation invariably turns to China. The threat of SARS dominates today's headlines, but their greater concern is one of economics.

With astonishing speed, China is emerging as a global manufacturing powerhouse. Backed by an inexpensive labor force, rapidly improving production quality, new sources of capital, a more dynamic private sector and a deliberately undervalued currency, China is supplying a growing range of products to the global marketplace.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; manufacturing
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Others, including Japan and the European Union, sell much more to China than we do.

This is a topic in and of itself. Much of the exports to China should be considered 'in transit' items.

IE, say Taiwan used to make the chips and the laptops both. Now though the laptop assembly is outsourced to China. Hence, Taiwan (who still makes chips) exports their chips to the China operations.

The laptops are sold to America and other markets.

China is getting in on the supply chain.

Many people mistake this for "Chinese market"...

1 posted on 05/20/2003 5:07:02 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
I would really like to know what the "Brilliant Thinkers" thought would happen? They sold us out. They got rich with lobby money, and we get a one way ticket to third world wages. I think it too late to fix it now.
2 posted on 05/20/2003 5:14:07 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: maui_hawaii
well put
3 posted on 05/20/2003 5:14:08 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: maui_hawaii
The problem with China is that there's only a small percentage of people over there who have the ability to buy any goods imported from the states. I was there for the last three months... Not a single person at Beijing University, where I was, could buy something made in the states. They have extremely low labor costs, and a very small wealthy class that is able to buy from the United States. Simply trying to market to the Chinese masses will not work. There's not enough money in their pockets.
6 posted on 05/20/2003 5:24:54 PM PDT by KDRaiderofthenight
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To: sit-rep
Here is what they thought:

"Your corporation will get rich..." and their explaination of what happens to the US market ie worker is "they will figure something out..."

How to deal with the government..."we need an ideology...hence lobby for this...." and they created this pipedream of some huge potential market etc etc. Its no different than the same bull$hit about potential of the internet based company etc etc. Same era and very little difference in intention.

Its never too late.

7 posted on 05/20/2003 5:28:03 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: KDRaiderofthenight
These economists have some notion of open ended economics. That sucks and simply does not work.
8 posted on 05/20/2003 5:30:20 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: namgniklaw
Open ended economics does NOT work.

What it ends up as is that the American consumer needs cheap products because no one can afford anything else, and in the end they are no more profitable for business. Its a lose lose situation.

9 posted on 05/20/2003 5:34:37 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: namgniklaw
Eventually, unemployed Americans won't be able to afford products made even in China. As in the Great Depression, a lot of things may cost a nickel but nobody will have a nickel.

American money is fueling the continuation of the Chinese government's oppression of its own people.

China is the mortal enemy of freedom in the world. It is the economic enemy of American workers and it is a growing military threat to the United States and to the world.

America is doing this to itself and it is really sad to see us selling out our working people and our principles to a country run by murdering butchers.

History will see us as fools who sold everything to despots who enslaved a billion people and forced them to work at slave wages until their economic power even enslaved or physically destroyed us.

10 posted on 05/20/2003 5:36:15 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: maui_hawaii
"Others, including Japan and the European Union, sell much more to China than we do".

Considering the sad state of these two failed subsidized economies, the only value exported to China is employment.And it isn't the employment of either wealthy individuals or corporations who import Chinese products into America.

The unemployed and the soon to be unemployed must demand "fair trade not free trade".

11 posted on 05/20/2003 5:46:16 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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To: maui_hawaii
It's never too late.

I admire your optimism, but a 1.3 Billion dollar deficit(2002), is pretty hard to fix. It would take some real effort. The amount of effort needed, can the US muster it?

12 posted on 05/20/2003 5:47:27 PM PDT by sit-rep
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If I've said this once, I've said it a thousand times here...........

The "how did you do THIS quarter?" mentality of The Street is driving this far more than anything else. Nothing matters any more but quarterly results. Slip a penney or two below "analysts' expectations" and your stock takes a pounding. Investors howl, the Board gets upset, heads roll. It's that bad.........and I know, because I work for a very, very large publicly traded corporation. That near term mentality is killing American business. If you have to cut costs by shipping your manufacturing overseas, by God, you do it. NOTHING else matters.

13 posted on 05/20/2003 5:51:24 PM PDT by RightOnline
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Japanese exports to China do not equate to job increases in Japan.

The example in #1 is more like it. It represents loss of industry and the spreading of an otherwise Japanese industry over several countries.

14 posted on 05/20/2003 5:58:55 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii; HighRoadToChina
I will name names:

Dell: Most desktop PCs, 1U form factor servers.

IBM: Thinkpads.

Cisco: Almost everything.

Sun: Sun Blade 100 / 150; B1600 Blades; V100/120 Server.

Anyone else have names and products to add to the list?

15 posted on 05/20/2003 5:59:00 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: maui_hawaii
A friend gave me a small statue of Jesus for Christmas. When I turned it over, it said "made in China." That's when I knew we were really in trouble. Now let's see if I can sum-up things:

1. Muslims want to kill us.
2. Illegals are taking over our country.
3. Our manufacturing and service jobs have left for China and India.

Have I missed anything?
16 posted on 05/20/2003 5:59:41 PM PDT by SamiGirl
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To: maui_hawaii
"We can have a strong bilateral trade relationship with China that elevates the wealth of both countries through reliance on rules that foster free markets."

Why does free trade needs rules? See the latest by Walter Williams to counter this nonsense. Our manufacturing base is being eroded by the EPA, OSHA, US Tax Code, Labor, and envy. I am a patriotic owner of a manufacturing company in this country but my country is HOSTILE towards business especially manufacturers.
17 posted on 05/20/2003 6:00:21 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: sit-rep
$1.3 billion? Maybe per every three days. The total trade deficit for 2002 was something like $87 billion.

The problem is not in ability, its in politics. For political reasons there is very little being done. It wouldn't be hard at all to derail things. Its just that few want to do it.

18 posted on 05/20/2003 6:02:23 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: namgniklaw
This is not capitalism. It is anti Nationalist market hedonism. And it is very un-American in the final analysis! If not stopped it will undermine everything our Founding Fathers risked their lives for, and could lead to the conquest of the USA and the West in general by the nations who hate Western civilization. Too much is at stake to let things continue as they are unchallenged.
19 posted on 05/20/2003 6:02:35 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Rules are definately needed IMO. People who don't think so probably have never traded. Don't get me wrong. There is such a thing as excess rules. Rules in and of themselves are not bad at all.

Lets apply your same thinking to banking. You put money in, there is no insurance, the banker can put your money into any dot.com he wants, and when the bank goes bust you are stuck out. How about a bank like that?

Rules make for a stable system. Over regulation and micro management sucks for sure. One is not the other though.

20 posted on 05/20/2003 6:08:59 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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