[Centurion2000]

Crap these people must be super observant or watching this thing several times. The only message that I came out of that scene with the Architect was that there were TWO Matrices. One that has the 'real world' with the AI's and one that Neo and crew lived in.

Guess I was just listening to the words.

[b4its2late]

Guess what movie I won't be going to see.......

[BenLurkin]

Wasn't going to see it anyway.

[plain talk]

They did a similar thing I believe in Men in Black (is that the one?) where they talk about how extraterrestrials have infiltrated our society and display a pic of Newt on the screen. That one was funny to me and wasn't offended. This one, if true, is a different matter.

[xlib]

Anyone who has doubts about the producers' politics need look no further than the cast, which includes radical Prof. Cornell West as "Councillor West."

[alloysteel]

The Liberal-Lefties have seized upon the juxaposition of the Bush Administration and the Nazi regime, and have tried to superimpose their interpretation upon the consciousness of the rest of the world. This is a most curious development, as a study of the actions and objectives of the Hollywood crowd more nearly resemble the tactics of the German Workingman's Party (the 'National Socialists') during the 1920's, capitalizing on economic collapse and unresolved conflict to win political power. Then it was the "Jews", today it is the "Christian fundamentalists".

You notice it even on talk show call-ins, where the Bush Administration is referred to as a "regime". Nazis had a regime. Saddam Hussein had a regime. Even the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001" had a regime. But the Bush Administration discharges the duties of the office according to established legal means, under Constitutional guidance. That is not the definition of a "regime".

[ClearCase_guy]

The movie isn't great, but it isn't terrible, IMO. Yes, Bush is shown (in about a .5 second cut) while Evil is mentioned. It's pretty subtle and I think more of an "inside joke" for the producer and his friends. I don't see how it would influence the unconscious of any movie-goer.

On the other hand, the Hitler mini-series was far more blatant is saying that Hitler came to power in a War against Terrorism which allowed him to disembowel the Constitution and trample on people's civil rights. Very inaccurate -- and unquestionably aimed at George W. Bush. The Matrix was mild indeed compared to this.

[Liberal Classic]

There were some other pictures shown at the same time, who were they? I saw Bush and Hitler, but the scene went so fast I couldn't identify any other faces flashed on the television screens. They may have been wanting make a point but maybe not. I guess I'll have to wait to see it on DVD so I can freeze the frame and see who else in on the screens. I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I hadn't read about it here.

[evad]

GOOD vs EVIL ?

[PMCarey]

"If the Matrix films, the most philosophically challenging movies to be produced in a generation ...

Yeah, about as philosphically challenging as a late-night Freshman bull session about reality. In fact, we have not seen such a philosophically challenging movie event since Pinto discussed the nature of the universe with a stoned-out Professor Jennings in Animal House.

[twas]

The politics of the first movie, The Matrix, is clearly anti-white.

All the "good" people out to save humanity are mixed race or of color (Keanu is mixed race). The only exception is the "good" white girlfriend of Neo who betrays her own racial group which is the “evil” white group. [The idea of the "race traitor" is attributed to the Harvard Professor Neol Ignatiev [Harvard, where Cornel West used to teach]. You can read all about his philosophy of "abolishing the white race" by reading his Harvard Publication Race Traitor ]

All the "evil" people are white. They are represented as fascist, Nazi-like automatons who seek to hunt down and destroy decent or in this case, people of color.

That is the message of The Matrix.

The casting choices [Cornel West] of the Reload [which I haven’t seen] appears to continue on the anti-white subtext.

[where's_the_Outrage?]

I just read the movie book HULK, there may be a scene with an unnammed President and unnammed hard nosed female National Security Advisor (wonder who this pair could be). Seems the Pres is on the Golf Course during this time of crisis, and when a decision is needed, gives it, but reminds the General it's an election year.

I'm wondering how the movie will portray this scene.

[Houmatt]

I would like you to ping this to every person that has made prior comments about this sequence.

It's a load of crap, and a waste of time, meant only for the superobservant, and supersensitive.

And I can assure you, the vast majority of filmgoers could care less about it.

My question would be: How many people walked out of the movie during the ridiculous and unnecessary dance sequence and missed out on the good stuff?

[js1138]

I suspect that this will cut a few percentage points off the box office. Can't make it a flop, but five or ten percent will cost them 50 or 100 million dollars, perhaps lead to some bad word of mouth prior to the next installment.

[Cosmo]

I know this for sure, the marxist sentiment is palpable in this film, and that the movie bordered on ridiculous. Lots of Smoke and mirrors, tedious fight sequences....sheesh, I can't even begin to describe how dissapointed I was in this film. Perhaps the worst performance Fishburn has ever given.

[zx2dragon]

There were multiple images of which Hitler and Bush were two. They have said since the beginning that the AI explosion happened just after the turn of the century which would leave who as the president?

[mabelkitty]

Only to the dumbed down publicly educated.

[Our man in washington]

Freeper arts ping.

[Paradox]

This is total CRAP, it makes conservatives sound like whiny liberals. I saw the movie, was prepared for the scene, I watched it carefully. He was NOT "compared to Hitler", sheesh, some people are getting a wee bit too paranoid. The sequence was just a diatribe about humanity and war. They showed GHWB as well, if I was not mistaken, they showed a couple other wartime presidents..

Sheesh, we need to stop pissin' in our pants, and pull up our skirts. No wonder people sometimes dont take us seriously.

[Prodigal Son]

Went to see it last night. My wife and I loved it. I saw the tv screens. I didn't come away thinking the film had equated Bush with Hitler. Not at all. My wife didn't either- although she's an evil German.

To tell the truth, I was too busy trying to figure out what the architect was talking about to pay much attention to the screens. It'll take a frame by frame analysis and many more veiwings. There's some other details I'm interested in as well: when they're showing Neo's memories (from childhood for example), do they also show memories he had after he was unplugged (in the first film)?

We're going to see it a few more times though so we'll pay attention to that scene every time and note if it makes us stop liking President Bush. I'll give it a bit more study too when I buy the DVD.

Also, does anybody else make a connection between Agent Smith and the Greek God Cronus (which means "crow")? In mythology, Gaia gave her son Cronus a sickle to castrate Uranus in the underworld Tartarus (which is also where Persephone was held by Hades). In the movie, when Neo and Agent Smith meet (after the Oracle scene), Smith walks up as crows fly slowly away. When Smith "hacks" into Zion in the form of Bane he is seen with a sickle shaped knife with which he cuts his hand twice (for some reason). Anybody got any ideas?