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Sympathy for the NY Times (2 BAG YACKER)
Go Slate.Com ^ | 05/23/03 | Michael Kinsley

Posted on 05/23/2003 5:09:16 AM PDT by AbsoluteJustice

Sympathy for the NY Times

A newspaper that seldom plagiarizes, yet is often plagiarized Has the venerable New York Times gotten more than its fair share of bad press over the Jayson Blair fiasco?

By Michael Kinsley SLATE.COM

May 21 — Although rarely reluctant to join in a schadenfreude festival, I nevertheless feel sorry for The New York Times. Duped by one of its own reporters, hemorrhaging rumors and leaks like the institutions it is used to covering, its extravagant public self-flagellation merely inviting flagellation by everyone else, the paper is at a low ebb. Much of the criticism and self-criticism is deserved. But after two weeks of Times-bashing, it’s time for a bit of therapeutic outreach.

ONE REASON the Times has my sympathy over being duped by a writer is that I’ve been there. And let me tell you: The clarity of hindsight is remarkable. A couple of years ago, Slate published a vivid, rollicking yarn about an alleged sport called “monkeyfishing.” The author claimed to have used a rod and reel, with rotten fruit as bait, to catch monkeys living on an island in the Florida Keys. As editor of Slate at the time, I read the piece before it was published and didn’t like it — for a variety of wrong reasons. So I cannot even claim to have been blinded by enthusiasm. Others at Slate did like it and so we published it. When outsiders challenged it, I read it again. A BLIND EYE It was like reading an entirely different article. Red flags waved from every line. At first the author stood by his story and we stood by him. But within days, poking around by ourselves and others made this position untenable, and so we both caved. The question remains, though, why my baloney-detectors didn’t function beforehand, when they could have saved us considerable embarrassment. All I can say is: Congress is about to exempt dividends from the income tax — i.e., stranger things than monkeyfishing actually do happen. Whatever the reason, reading an article with doubts raised is a different experience from reading it in its virginal pre-publication freshness. As Slate’s Jack Shafer has pointed out, most readers of Jayson Blair’s Times articles did not spot the hints of fabrication or plagiarism either. This includes many of the critics who now say that the Times missed important clues because of institutional arrogance or political bias or an affirmative action mentality. Of course readers are entitled to assume that published articles have been pre-skepticized. And Jayson Blair duped the Times again and again. But holding foresight to the standards of hindsight is a bit unfair.

FIT TO PRINT Much or even most American news reporting and commentary on national issues derives — uncredited — from the New York Times. Even if you don’t read the Times yourself, you get your news from journalists at other media who do.

My second reason for feeling sympathy for the New York Times is that it now wears the Scarlet P, for plagiarist, when in a way we are all plagiarizers of the New York Times. Plagiarism technically applies only to an article’s words, not to the ideas and information contained in them. But the value of a newspaper article lies more in the ideas and information than in the precise words. And much or even most American news reporting and commentary on national issues derives — uncredited — from the New York Times. Even if you don’t read the Times yourself, you get your news from journalists at other media who do. The Times sets the news agenda that everyone else follows. The Washington Post and maybe one or two other papers also play this role, but even as a writer who appears in the Washington Post -- a damned fine newspaper run by superb editors who are graced with every kind of brilliance, charm, and physical beauty — I would have to concede that the Times is more influential. It’s not just the agenda setting. Our basic awareness of what is going on in the world derives in large part from the Times. How do you even know that Baghdad exists? Have you been there? Touched it? How do I, sitting in Seattle, know the current status of the Bush administration’s Mideast road map, about which I may choose to opine with seeming authority? Column-writing is an especially derivative form of journalism. But even the hardest of hard-news reporters starts with basic knowledge that probably comes more from the Times than her own two eyes.

SETTING THE TONE It’s true that the journalistic food chain runs both ways: Big media like the Times often pick up

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apologia; coverup; falsification; howellraines; jaysonblair; liars; mediafraud; medialies; michaelkinsley; newyorktimes; nyt; nytimes; plagiarism; thenewyorktimes
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1 posted on 05/23/2003 5:09:17 AM PDT by AbsoluteJustice
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"My second reason for feeling sympathy for the New York Times is that it now wears the Scarlet P, for plagiarist, when in a way we are all plagiarizers of the New York Times."

Hey now, I'll bet you learned that in journalism school?

2 posted on 05/23/2003 5:11:30 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
The wonderful liberal should, of course, wear a Scarlet P. It doesn't stand for plagiarist, however; it stands for paternalist.

They never miss a beat when it comes to feeling the pain of others, even when they have to right to do it. The Scarlet P is a badge of the moral windbag.

3 posted on 05/23/2003 5:18:38 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Circle the wagons!!

The VLWC is under attack by the unwashed from the REDZONE!

4 posted on 05/23/2003 5:20:24 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Kinsley doesn't get it. The problem isn't that the editors didn't see Blair's deceptions. The problem is that they DID see some of them. They were strongly warned by an editor not to publish anything by Blair. But they kept giving him a break, promoting him to more important stories, and hoping that he wouldn't continue his "error-prone" ways.

Mike Barnicle wasn't given such breaks. Jeff Jacoby wasn't given such breaks. Wonder why. Maybe Kinsley should ponder that.

5 posted on 05/23/2003 5:22:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
NA won't happen, the shoe is on the other foot now and a big WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH is in order.
6 posted on 05/23/2003 5:27:36 AM PDT by AbsoluteJustice (Kiss me I'm an INFIDEL!!!!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"Duped by one of its own reporters,"

Stopped reading there.

No, it wasn't "duped". The whole f'ing Grey Lady staff knew EXACTLY what was going on with Mr. Blair - THEY JUST DIDN'T CARE.
7 posted on 05/23/2003 5:29:00 AM PDT by m1911
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Jayson Blair's flaws were known for some time and tolerated, thus the word "duped" cannot apply. He was tolerated because he towed the leftist line, he was moved up in the pecking order because he towed the leftist line so well.

Kinsley's whine here is an indication of how important the NYT was and is to the leftist cause, note the defense has to employ the same denial of reality, and twisting of logic that got the rag in trouble to begin with.

8 posted on 05/23/2003 5:39:06 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Kinsley is just trying to help the Slimes cover their a@@. Remeber the left believes in the adage "You shall not speak ill of a fellow red"
9 posted on 05/23/2003 5:47:02 AM PDT by sticker
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"...my baloney-detectors didn’t function..."

If you had a functioning baloney-detector, Michael, you wouldn't be a "Liberal" in the first place!

10 posted on 05/23/2003 5:55:53 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Vote Democrat! Vote for national--and personal--suicide! It's like being a suicide bomber!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
OK, now I'm totally creeped out...

"The Times sets the news agenda that everyone else follows."

11 posted on 05/23/2003 5:58:07 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: AbsoluteJustice
OK, now I'm totally creeped out...

"The Times sets the news agenda that everyone else follows."

12 posted on 05/23/2003 5:58:09 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: AbsoluteJustice
The question remains, though, why my baloney-detectors didn’t function beforehand, when they could have saved us considerable embarrassment.

First, this sentence needs a question mark. Second, his "baloney (bologna) detector" is no doubt maxed out from his own liberal rantings and ravings.

13 posted on 05/23/2003 6:27:15 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: m1911
BABE IN THE WOODS ALERT!
14 posted on 05/23/2003 6:49:00 AM PDT by jd777
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To: Reactionary
I'd like the P to stand for "posers".....they are just so-called journalists, after all.
15 posted on 05/23/2003 7:17:33 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: AbsoluteJustice
vivid, rollicking yarn about an alleged sport called “monkeyfishing.” ... in the Florida Keys

I have a sunken treasure hunt for Michael Kinsley to invest in.

16 posted on 05/23/2003 9:54:39 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; Miss Marple; Tamsey; ...

Schadenfreude

This is the New York Times Schadenfreude Ping List. Freepmail me to be added or dropped.


17 posted on 05/28/2003 1:50:54 AM PDT by Timesink
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