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To: wimpycat
Much as I despise Bill Clinton, even he drew the line...he may have been stringing some people along just to see what he could get out of it, but he wouldn't dare actually do it.
I can count three actual times I had respect for Clinton: when they sent Chelsea to a private school, when he refused to sign the landmines treaty, and when he didn't pardon Pollard and Peltier despite lefty pressure to do so.

According to Bill Casey, it wasn't revealing the names of our spies that was Pollard's egregious offense:

William J. Casey, the late C.I.A. director, who was known for his close ties to the Israeli leadership, stunned one of his station chiefs by suddenly complaining about the Israelis breaking the "ground rules." The issue arose when Casey urged increased monitoring of the Israelis during an otherwise routine visit, I was told by the station chief, who is now retired. "He asked if I knew anything about the Pollard case," the station chief recalled, and he said that Casey had added, "For your information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the U.S.S.R. all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets." Casey had then explained that the Israelis had traded the Pollard data for Soviet emigres. "How's that for cheating?" he had asked.

Without addressing this charge, this article makes no case whatsoever.

-Eric

24 posted on 05/23/2003 9:56:43 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
I can count three actual times I had respect for Clinton: when they sent Chelsea to a private school, when he refused to sign the landmines treaty, and when he didn't pardon Pollard and Peltier despite lefty pressure to do so.

1. They are hypocrites. Carter was the respectful one who made his kids go to the crappy schools that he suppoted.

2. I suppose I have respect for him on the landmine treaty.

3. In all liklihood, his position had nothing to do with principle, and everything to do with either not getting enough of a bribe from Marc Rich, or fear of pissing off the intelligence community who might respond by exposing his crimes.

28 posted on 05/23/2003 10:03:14 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: E Rocc
Good find. This aritlce has lost all credibility. It shoots down Seymour Hersh about the radio frequencies, as if they were the last thread holding Pollard in jail, when the same article by Hersh alleges that Pollard stole our entire attack plan. Do you think the author of our current article missed that line, or just chose to ignore it hoping that most people wouldn't notice?
29 posted on 05/23/2003 10:05:47 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: E Rocc
You have trouble understanding what you read?

It is the theme of the posted article that what Casey, and others at the time, believed got to the Soviets by way of Pollard, actually was delivered by spies active AND UNKNOWN at that time, Ames and Hansen and who knows who else.
31 posted on 05/23/2003 10:10:48 AM PDT by Courier
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To: E Rocc
Without addressing this charge, this article makes no case whatsoever.

It does need to be specifically addressed. However that statement was made in 1985, well before the discovery of Ames and Hanssen's activities. It needs to be examined in the light of those activities. Additionally you left off the next paragraph.

In subsequent interviews, former C.I.A. colleagues of Casey's were unable to advance his categorical assertion significantly. Duane Clarridge, then in charge of clandestine operations in Europe, recalled that the C.I.A. director had told him that the Pollard material "goes beyond just the receipt in Israel of this stuff." But Casey, who had many close ties to the Israeli intelligence community, hadn't told Clarridge how he knew what he knew. Robert Gates, who became deputy C.I.A. director in April, 1986, told me that Casey had never indicated to him that he had specific information about the Pollard material arriving in Moscow. "The notion that the Russians may have gotten some of the stuff has always been a viewpoint," Gates said, but not through the bartering of emigres. "The only view I heard expressed was that it was through intelligence operations" -- the K.G.B.

And those intelligence operations could very well have included Hannsen, Ames or others.

That said, Pollard does come off as a nutcase who the Navy should never have given security clearances to. But it does seem that some of the information upon which his sentencing was bases may have been false and his sentence should be re-examined on that basis. Perhaps a transfer from prison to a facility more in tune with his nutcase nature?

53 posted on 05/23/2003 11:26:11 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: E Rocc
" I can count three actual times I had respect for Clinton: when they sent Chelsea to a private school, when he refused to sign the landmines treaty, and when he didn't pardon Pollard and Peltier despite lefty pressure to do so."

And here I always thought it was because Pollard and Peltier's supporters didn't come up with enough of the ready to make it worth the Billster's while....

81 posted on 05/23/2003 7:11:39 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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