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To: LogicWings
Drama is the highest form of art. Art is play, and so it could include play with language. Drama would also include dance, music, chorale, architecture, and representative arts. The source of language is the spoken word. How it then becomes represented in symbols such as arrangements of ink and ASCII code is a matter for linguists. There are two sides to experience--the rational and the aesthetic. Art by nature is heavily aesthetic. Is language then a heavily rational complement to art? Does logic have anything to do with language?

Does language have anything to do with logic? At this point I would say language uses logic as drama uses painted backdrops--it's incidental to the main presentation.

1,255 posted on 01/19/2004 10:54:50 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale

Drama is the highest form of art. Art is play, and so it could include play with language. Drama would also include dance, music, chorale, architecture, and representative arts.

Ok, we have a series of opinions here. Drama could include all those things but doesn’t necessarily. Even if it does, doesn’t mean that it is the highest form, if it is dependent upon other elements, such a logic.

The source of language is the spoken word.

Actually, not so. The source of language is the ability to create metaphors. The mind’s ability to represent one ‘thing’ with another symbolic ‘thing’ is the true source of language. The result is language which is symbolic metaphor.

How it then becomes represented in symbols such as arrangements of ink and ASCII code is a matter for linguists.

You can kiss it off to that field if you wish but I‘m not so lazy. Many other philosophers and economists also have addressed this field because it has more importance than you relegate it here. It is a matter of how our minds work, processes information, and I’m not leaving that to anybody else. Epistemology is one of the most important fields there is. Try and explain anything without relying upon it. Or upon logic.

There are two sides to experience--the rational and the aesthetic.

False dichotomy. There are many facets to experience, more than just those two sides. And I admit no separation among any of them. Anymore than there is any separation of a single diamond simply because it splits the white light of the sun’s spirit into a rainbow of colors. I incorporate the rational, the emotional, the aesthetic and the spiritual all in my being and consciousness all at the same time. If others can’t do this, that is their problem.

Art by nature is heavily aesthetic.

Ok, (I don’t agree, I don’t even know what you mean by ’heavily’, but if I accept your premise) follow the next sentences.

Is language then a heavily rational complement to art? Does logic have anything to do with language?

Now, I ask you, define aesthetic without resorting to logic. Identify the concept in a manner that is in common so that anyone can understand it, without resorting to the A is A requirements of logic.

So the answer is, of course it does, it is the basis of language.

Without the A is A metaphor that relates the word aesthetic to the high level abstract represented by that word, it would have no meaning. The A that is represented by all the elements you described: dance, music, chorale, architecture, (and you forgot language)

is all represented by the A that is the word drama.

At this point I would say language uses logic as drama uses painted backdrops--it's incidental to the main presentation.

Without logic there would be no main presentation at all. None of it would have any meaning since all meaning is metaphor and all metaphor is logic. In other words, there would be NoThing. There would be no drama.

Thus logic is the stage, the curtains, the words, the script, the backdrop, the notes that make up the score, the position of the dancers, the number of steps they take for each bar of music, the placement of the nails that holds up the backdrop so it doesn’t fall down, and more important than anything you mentioned - the timing, moment by moment, of the script, of who walks on and says what when that requires a complete identity of each player, part, tune and moment to properly construct the ultimate production.

1,261 posted on 01/22/2004 12:46:21 AM PST by LogicWings
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