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Fighting Islam's Fierce Moro Warriors (America's first jungle war)
Military History Magazine ^ | April 2002 | David S. Woolman

Posted on 05/24/2003 8:45:59 PM PDT by Sparta

America’s first war with suicidal Islamic warriors took place a century ago in the Philippines and rings familiar today as the Moros continue what they call ‘the longest, bloodiest struggle for freedom in history.’

By David S. Woolman for Military History Magazine

America’s first jungle war remains largely unknown, except in the Philippines where it began in 1900. Even those rare Americans who have heard of the U.S. jungle war against the Moros often connect it erroneously with the Philippine Insurrection. But with world attention now riveted upon Islamic jihad, we can expect to learn more about the volatile Islamic Moros, especially since they openly supported Afghanistan’s Taliban government and are an ongoing problem for the Philippine government.

Mutual revulsion between the Islamic Moros of the southern Philippines and the Western world goes back a long way. For more than two centuries before their defeat by U.S. forces at the end of the 1800s, Spain attempted unsuccessfully to subjugate the diminutive but fanatical Muslim Moros, who average slightly over 5 feet in height. Spanish soldiers had been captured by the Moros, dragged into the jungle and tortured for hours on end, finally dying in utter agony over a slow fire after being emasculated. Add to that the Moro practices of polygamy, slavery and rape of infidels, and it is easy to see why the American forces in 1898 saw Moros as horror and depravity incarnate.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: memorialday; militaryhistory; moros; philippines; uprising; us
The m1911 Colt .45 pistol was adopted because of this uprising. The .38s in use lacked the firepower to kill the drug-crazed Moros and the Lugars we were trying out kept breaking down in the hostile environment.
1 posted on 05/24/2003 8:45:59 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: Admin Moderator
I'm attempting to provide historical background to the current US actions in the Philippines. Please leave this in the news and activism section.
2 posted on 05/24/2003 8:47:04 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
The United States took part in a jungle war many do not know about. The Moro uprising, which took place before WWI.

If you want on or off the Western Civlization Military History ping list, let me know.
3 posted on 05/24/2003 8:49:07 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: Sparta
GARRY OWEN, Sir

1st Cavalry Division in the Phillippines =

World War II
4 posted on 05/24/2003 8:57:08 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com..)
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To: Sparta
Thanks for the ping Sparta. The Phillipine Insurrection is a pretty unknown campaign now-a-days. Thanks for the post
5 posted on 05/24/2003 9:00:27 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Never hit a man with glasses; hit him with your fist.)
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To: SAMWolf

The Phillipine Insurrection is a pretty unknown campaign now-a-days.

There were two Philippine Insurrections. One by nationalists(mostly Catholic) and one by the Moros (the one I'm covering on this thread). The Moros were fighting for the same thing they're fighting our Philippine allies and our Special Forces for, an Islamic state.

6 posted on 05/24/2003 9:03:27 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: Sparta
first jungle war not.
7 posted on 05/24/2003 9:04:42 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: Sparta
The sultan of Sulu warned against further attacks on the newcomers. “Americans,” he said, “were like a match box. If you strike one they all go off!”
8 posted on 05/24/2003 9:05:48 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Sparta
(From a previous post)

I say we treat them the way Pershing treated the Muslim fanatics (Mohomudans) in the Phillipeans after the church slaughter. Following the end of the war with Spain, but before World War I, we had trouble pacifiying them (like now). They slaughtered a bunch of Christians coming out of church on Sunday.

As I remember the story, this was the last straw for Col.,Gen ?)Pershing, who was in charge at the time. He ordered all the male muslims in the immediate area to be slaughtered except for one, as a witness.

The dead Muslims were wrapped in pig meat and splattered w/pig blood. Muslim zealots only fear was dying in an "unclean" state. They think you can't get to heavan if your "unclean".

This witness runs away to tell the other Muslim fanatics what Pershing and the Americans had done.
Pershing had no more trouble during the occupation.
The Muslims stopped targeting Christians.

There is a lesson here for some of these South Pacific trouble-makers.


9 posted on 05/24/2003 9:13:06 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: Sparta
"Moro practices of...slavery...rape," torture, piracy, war, and murder
Any question who the "god" is that these fanatics worship? Their "god" delights in such evil. These devil-worshippers certainly do not serve God.
"the Moros reacted with increased fear that their children would learn English and subtly become Christianized."
Obviously, that's the best thing that could happen to these Satan-worshippers!
"Although certain of their own extinction, those fanatics were secure in their belief that they would be whisked to the Muslim paradise for their valorous self-sacrifice, where, among other glories, they would be serviced by 16 virgins."
Sound familiar? Maybe if the "Liberals" hear these same stories enough times reality will begin to sink in.
"He believed that the Moros were savages who respected nothing but force."
I believe the same thing.
"the Moros could not understand why the Americans did not destroy every cota in the area. On the contrary, Pershing ordered his men to mix with the locals in a sincere attempt to establish friendly relations."
This strategy failed a century ago. It has failed ever since. It has never succeeded. Yet "Liberal" fools today still insist on trying it. These people are murderous fanatics, and the only way to deal with them is force--relentless, unyielding, overpowering force.
"The only way to handle Moros was to be just and firm: 'Every concession to them is a mistake.'
Does this sound familiar:
"...now too-familiar objectives: 'To make supreme the Word of Allah and implement Shari’ah [Islamic law].'"
The objective of Islam is the establishment of a world-wide Islamic theocracy with the Koran as the only constitution and the Shari'ah as international law.

"Those who cannot learn from history are condemned to repeat it"--again--and again--and again-- !

10 posted on 05/24/2003 9:41:20 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Vote Democrat! Vote for national--and personal--suicide! It's like being a suicide bomber!)
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To: Sparta
Yep. Those Moros were tough to bring down, someone already mentioned the M-1911
11 posted on 05/24/2003 9:49:12 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Never hit a man with glasses; hit him with your fist.)
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To: Sparta
Great history post!

Do you know if the tales of Pershing burying Moros in swineskins as a lesson to the others is true, or apocryphal?

12 posted on 05/24/2003 9:57:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sparta
Phillipines right ? Where they ultimately deployed the .45 ACP because the 38 special didn't have the punch to put the moros down. Also the origin of the english term "to run amok" if I recall.
13 posted on 05/24/2003 10:51:02 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Savage Beast
I thought it interesting, though not too surprising, that the phrase to "run amok" comes from the peace-loving murderous pirates of Islam.

My only beef with the article was the notion that Christianity was forced on the Philippines, while the impression is given that islam was always there.

Islam has never spread but by force.
15 posted on 05/25/2003 12:58:22 AM PDT by watchin
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To: Travis McGee
Travis,

No one can say for sure if this story is true or not, but it has been reported in many unofficial histories of the Pershing campaign there. It actually reeks of local legend designed to increase anti-american sentiment in that country, further perpetuated by left wing historians who like to make the US look bad. Personally, knowing what I've heard of Pershing in other history, this strikes me as potentially a true story. Sadly, I think this sort of behavior would be our best course of action against terrorists who only seem to understand greater violence and a greater will to engage in barbaric behavior.
16 posted on 05/25/2003 1:10:47 AM PDT by MarkDel
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To: Sparta
Excellent article..

Footnote: I knew a lady whose father served with "Black Jack Pershing".. She recalled to me that, as a child, she remembered a fire on the post where her parents were stationed, and that it was the Pershing home. I think she said some of the children died.

She recalled playing with those children next to the fields where soldiers practiced drill & ceremony, and even at her age, late 60's, and this some 40 years ago, still showed sorrow at the loss of her playmates.
17 posted on 05/25/2003 1:20:53 AM PDT by Drammach
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To: watchin
Keen observations, Watchin. It may be that that which is spread by force can be stopped only by force.
18 posted on 05/25/2003 4:12:18 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Vote Democrat! Vote for national--and personal--suicide! It's like being a suicide bomber!)
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To: Sparta
JMB Bump!

19 posted on 05/25/2003 5:37:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: enfield
>>What audience of dolts does Mr. Woolman write for?? This is basic U.S. history.

Basic U.S. history isn't taught much any more.
20 posted on 05/25/2003 5:38:41 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Finalapproach29er
I laugh every time I read this urban legend. Anyone who thinks the Islamists would stop their terrorism because they fear being buried in pig meat is delusional.
21 posted on 05/25/2003 6:19:18 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: MarkDel
I think this subject is very worth more research using original sources. Our war against islamic terror may get to that level.
22 posted on 05/25/2003 8:40:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: liberalnot

first jungle war not.

Then were did America fight its first jungle war at?

23 posted on 05/25/2003 9:21:41 AM PDT by Sparta
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To: Travis McGee

Do you know if the tales of Pershing burying Moros in swineskins as a lesson to the others is true, or apocryphal?

From what I've been able to learn, the stories are true.

24 posted on 05/25/2003 9:23:42 AM PDT by Sparta
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To: Centurion2000

Where they ultimately deployed the .45 ACP because the 38 special didn't have the punch to put the moros down.

You are correct. As for the origin of "to run amok", I don't know.

25 posted on 05/25/2003 9:24:57 AM PDT by Sparta
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To: Sparta
Where they ultimately deployed the .45 ACP because the 38 special didn't have the punch to put the moros down.

My grandfather fought in this insurretion. We also used a Dynamite gun according to him. It apparently threw a stick [sticks?] of dynamite out of a cannon by means of compressed air. [The navy at the time had a Dynamite Cruiser, the U.S.S. Vesuvius which had 3 cannons that were fixed in position - the ship had to be manouvered to point to the target before the guns could be fired. It wasn't very sccessful.]

As an aside, yellow fever killed 7 times the number of Americans that the Spanish amd Moros did.

26 posted on 05/25/2003 10:01:31 AM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: Sparta
If you want on or off the Western Civlization Military History ping list, let me know.

I wouldn't mind being on it. Thank you.

27 posted on 05/25/2003 10:05:38 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: Sparta
Then were did America fight its first jungle war at?

In 1814 we took a little trip, along with General Jackson, down the mighty Mississip,
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans and we met the bloody British near the town of New Orleans. ;^)

28 posted on 05/25/2003 10:11:29 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: FreedomPoster
Sadly, I'm one of those to whom basic history was not taught. Someone please explain to me why we had U.S. troops in the Philippines in 1900.

I'll need to leave and check back later for any replies.

Thanks in advance.
29 posted on 05/25/2003 10:12:01 AM PDT by Jason_b (moo)
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To: Jason_b
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=us+philippine+moros&spell=1
30 posted on 05/25/2003 10:15:54 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: Sparta
I was about to make a similar comment.

If you've ever read the book Benevolent Assimilation, it gives a pretty decent account of the Insurrection(s.)

Unfortunately, now I must wonder about distortions made by the author or rather the lack of context. I certainly don't remember reading anything about the barbaric habits of the Moros, only that they were Muslim. Sadly, Filipinos in general were called niggers by American troops and large internment camps rife with disease and malnutrition were built. It was sort of a Strategic Hamlet concept without the amenities.

I think there WAS a betrayal of the Aguinaldo Nationalists by the US. I think they'd probably have been amenable to a 5-10 year stewardship if the US had simply proposed that, instead of insisting on colonization. Though Americans were right to fight the Moros(anyone would be) that doesn't excuse their conduct in the rest of the archipelago.
31 posted on 05/25/2003 10:18:25 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Jason_b
We took the Phillipines from the Spanish in the Spanish-American War in 1898. Admiral Dewey sank the Spanish Pacific fleet in Manila Bay.

If we hadn't taken possession of this colony after taking out the Spanish, some other power would have. Realpolitik of the era and all that.
32 posted on 05/25/2003 10:23:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Sparta
vietnam.

ww2. americans fought the japs in jungles.

american armies have occupied various central american countries for centuries.
33 posted on 05/25/2003 10:52:18 AM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: Sparta; cardinal4
If I recall correctly, the word "amok" is a Tagalog word. It referes to a mythical creature, somewhat akin to the Yeti or Sasquach, who rampages through jungle villages in central Luzon, wreaking havoc. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
34 posted on 05/25/2003 11:05:31 AM PDT by Ax
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To: liberalnot
The Moro insurrection I'm talking about took place in the early 1900s. The first Central American intervention was in the 1920s.
35 posted on 05/25/2003 1:22:48 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: 68 grunt

In 1814 we took a little trip, along with General Jackson, down the mighty Mississip, We took a little bacon and we took a little beans and we met the bloody British near the town of New Orleans. ;^)

Although Louisiana has always been a Banana Republic, New Orleans only became a jungle in the late 20th Century.

36 posted on 05/25/2003 1:30:22 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: Sparta
cuba, 1898.
37 posted on 05/25/2003 3:10:58 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: 68 grunt; Sparta
Ever been to the South Carolina Low Country?

I'd say the Swamp Fox could have been called a jungle fighter, if the term had been in use.

38 posted on 05/25/2003 5:25:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FreedomPoster
When American cruisers entered Apra Harbor in Guam in 1898, word of the hostilities had not reached the Spanish governor.

They fired courtesy salutes, came ashore, exchanged pleasantries, swapped flags on the flag poles, and the Spanish went home.

39 posted on 05/25/2003 5:27:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Ax
According to Webster's III, "Malay amok furious attack, charge (as in mengamok he runs amok, pengamok one that runs amok)."
40 posted on 05/25/2003 5:43:48 PM PDT by dighton
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To: FreedomPoster
JMB Bump!

John Moses Browning...what a genius...
41 posted on 05/25/2003 5:50:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Sparta

A small correction: The 1911 was not ready so the .45 Colt was resurrected and deployed first.


42 posted on 08/04/2011 1:29:04 PM PDT by denoferth
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To: Sparta

You are correct about it being the first jungle war but it was not America’s first war with suicidal Islamic warriors. Our first encounter with Muslims was when American marines fought the Barbary pirates soon after the American Revolution.


43 posted on 08/04/2011 2:08:06 PM PDT by denoferth
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