The mythical Palestinians deserve no homeland side-by-side with Israel. They already have a homeland: Jordan.
Doing bad things to bad people...
Posted on 05/25/2003 6:43:08 AM PDT by yonif
...And also to shift their populations' focus away from their own (massive) corruption and oppression. If the Palestinian distraction no longer existed, MidEast/Arab dictatorships/theocracies might just fall like bowling pins. In the case of Iran, that's a good thing. In the case of nations whose populations are far more extreme than their government masters (like Saudi Arabia), it's definitely not a good thing.
The current plan, if followed by both sides
It's not going to be followed by both sides, and that was the whole point of my last post. How can it be, when the stated goals of the PLO (in their charter) and other terrorist orgs in the region calls for the complete destruction of Israel? A Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria would effectively destroy that goal, because Israel would then respond to Palestinian terrorism by responding against a state, not a group of "poor refugees." Actions taking in self-defense against actual states are far more legitimate in the eyes of the world, and Israel would then be able to unleash hell on them with (relative) impunity. This is obviously not what the Arab world wants.
...And that's why there'll be no agreement.
The only thing we will see from this capitulation Phil, are many many dead bodies.
Don't go nuts on me here! Have your medication run out so you feel the need to hurl outrageous lies on a public forum?
The mythical Palestinians deserve no homeland side-by-side with Israel. They already have a homeland: Jordan.
Doing bad things to bad people...
Then I suppose you cannot call the bombing of the USS Cole or the Marine Barracks in Lebanon terrorist.
Furthermore, no matter how you try to deny it, the King David Hotel was a civilian target. Yes, the British did have a headquarters there, but it was, first and foremost, a hotel, which means it contained civilians.
Not that I endorse the Brits; Jewish terrorism resulted only because of their own stupidity. Nor do I equate Jewish terrorism with present day Arab terrorism. The latter is far more evil and pernicious. But terrorism is still terrorism and is still evil to some degree.
Tenative is a good word to describe the reality...as the sons of Esau went around attacking the sons of Jacob...destroying their wells.
Its like that comment recently by Hamdi 60,537 that their is no room for Israel in the middle east.
Same mental thinking as in the days of Jacob and Esau...no room for the tents of Jacob.
Its gets more dynamic..as Esau's sons threatened Esau with death..if he did not attack Jacob.
Finally Esau caves and its on...."foreign Mercenaries are even hired"!
Where does the enevitable battle occur?
Why its Hevron ...imagine that.
Jacob is torn..he does not know what to do..as he has made an oath with Esau..: )[DOES THIS REMIND THE READER OF SOMEONE WE KNOW? : )]
Esau and army appears before Jacob in a valley...Jacob and sons are in a tower.
Esau Curses Jacob...on and on it goes...TODAY.JACOB WILL DIE!
The Story passed down thru Hebrew culture to todays Jewish redactl edit reveals a confused Jacob who has his own sons finally clear the FOG from his mind and act.
"Hello Jacob...Hello upstairs...your brother is cursing you..means to kill you..I can do a recount ..but for sure there's thousands of them out there"
As the story goes in the book of Jubilee's...Jacob pulls his bow back..and puts an arrow into Esau's chest....its over...Jacobs sons sweep down on the tents of Ishmael..and slaughter them till the sun goes down.
The envy and hatred in the tents of Ishmael ...this is the reality of today.
The Palestinians allready are a nation...they are so many tents...that are near the tents of Jacob;..just like long ago.
no negotiated whatever will silence the envy and hatred of that camp.
They will attack Jacob again...like before.
As Esau's camp grew in populace..the voice grew louder.
Its the same dynamic today...the Palies grow in numerics..and the voice grows with it.
This terminal reality was set in motion the day the Jews returned to the land...its just taken this long for the tents of Esau to grow this large.
Wether the tents of Esau..call them Areas A and B and Gaza..get a connect the dots color map...or not...the tents of Esau will attack Jacob.
Haber Since May 25, 2003
To suggest that the "birthing process" of the modern state of Israel was free and devoid of terrorism is to deny reality. To point to the facts is neither to condemn Israel, Israelis or Jews. To point to an exception to the rule, "There is no such thing as a good terrorist", is not to judge the sweetness of the fruit. Honesty helps here. Quit spinning.
Irgun Zvai Leumi Encyclopædia Britannica Article |
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byname Etzel, Jewish right-wing underground movement in Palestine, founded in 1931. At first supported by many non-Socialist Zionist parties, in opposition to the Haganah, it became in 1936 an instrument of the Revisionist Party, an extreme nationalist group that had seceded from the World Zionist Organization and whose policies called for the use of force, if necessary, to establish a Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan.
Irgun committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab. Irgun also participated in the organization of illegal immigration into Palestine after the publication of the British White Paper on Palestine (1939), which severely limited immigration. Irgun's violent activities led to execution of many of its members by the British; in retaliation, Irgun executed British army hostages.
Irgun's members were extremely disciplined and daring, and their actions included the capture of 'Akko (Acre) prison, a medieval fortress that not even Napoleon had succeeded in capturing. In the last days of the British mandate, it captured a large part of the city of Yafo (Jaffa).
On July 22, 1946, the Irgun blew up a wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing 91 soldiers and civilians (British, Arab, and Jewish). On April 9, 1947, a group of Irgun commandos raided the Arab village of Dayr Yasin (modern Kefar Sha'ul), killing all 254 of its inhabitants.
After the creation of Israel in 1948 the Irgun's last units disbanded and took the oath of loyalty to the Israeli defense forces on Sept. 1, 1948. Politically, it was the precursor of the Herut (Freedom) Party, one of Israel's most militant right-wing groups, later merged with the Liberals into the Gahal Party. See also Stern Gang.
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Stern Gang
also called Stern Group , or Lehi , formally Lohame Herut Yisra'el (Hebrew: “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”) Zionist terrorist organization in Palestine, founded in 1940 by Avraham Stern (1907–42) after a split in the right-wing underground movement, Irgun Zvai Leumi.
Fanatically anti-British, the group repeatedly attacked British personnel in Palestine and even invited aid from the Axis powers. The British police retaliated by killing Stern in his apartment in February 1942; many of the gang's leaders were subsequently arrested. The group's terrorist activities extended beyond Palestine: two members assassinated Lord Moyne, British minister of state in the Middle East, at Cairo (November 1944). Later, the Stern Gang attacked airfields, railway yards, and other strategic installations in Palestine, usually with success, though at heavy loss in members killed or captured. After the creation of Israel (1948), the group, which had always been condemned by moderate leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, was suppressed, some of its units being incorporated in the Israeli defense forces. Unlike the Irgun Zvai Leumi, a precursor of the Herut (“Freedom”) Party, the Stern Gang left no political party to carry on its political programs.
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What you describe is most likely correct. It requires a president who is serious about terrorism and I believe the president is serious.
Nice post!
I does not.
But what it DOES CLEARLY enumerate are the various forces which combined to give birth to the modern state of Israel. It took what it took. And it took EVERYTHING that it took. Part of what it took was TERRORISM.
You are the hypocritical kind of anti-Jew who won't mind any cruelty and oppression against the Jewish people, but when Jews rise up to defend themselves you immediately cry 'foul' and apply the strictest imaginable moralistic and legalistic standard to their actions. For you the Warsaw ghetto uprising was probably "TERRORISM" too!
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