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Breaking*** NBA Game Delayed - Dallas Arena Evacuated

Posted on 05/25/2003 5:30:21 PM PDT by myprecious

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To: The Coopster
I literally finished it today, (except for the epilogue).
61 posted on 05/25/2003 8:50:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: myprecious
This is probably a good thing. The more false alarms we have, the more people will be used to these drills, and when the real thing happens, they won't kill each other in a stampede (which is the easiest way for terrorists to inflict casualties--by using people against themselves)
62 posted on 05/25/2003 8:51:54 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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I should also say I don't think Americans will panic when the unthinkable eventually happens. Some people think we'll run around like headless chickens and die because of it, but I think we won't panic too badly...
63 posted on 05/25/2003 8:53:30 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
I should also say I don't think Americans will panic when the unthinkable eventually happens.

I hope you are correct.I just have a little less confidence in the Sheeple.

Events like that Great White fire show a pattern of stupidity. At first there is a reluctance to take a situation seriously, then complete selfish interests when the realization sets in. Combine limited experience in real life danger - we have been successful in designing the "image" of danger into things like Six Flags while providing artificial safety. This gives a false sence of being able to handle fear. Add copious amounts of beer and pregame drug use for many fans.

Just keep your eyes open and prepare your children. I try to take the time to calmy establish escape routes and fall back positions with my kids. Even in case of a school evatuation, we have discussed which kid will stay put while the other searches to regroup them. It does not scare them, it gives them a sense of empowerment to deal with the fears they are exposed to during this time.

64 posted on 05/25/2003 10:05:14 PM PDT by myprecious
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To: Travis McGee
hope we may long continue to enjoy jam packed sporting events, but I fear they are "low hanging fruit" soon to be plucked away from us by terrorists. It will only take one incident.

Well said.

65 posted on 05/25/2003 10:06:59 PM PDT by myprecious
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To: myprecious; xm177e2
Self control or whatever has nothing to do with it. A serious acrid smoke producing fire, or a sniper, could result in a "Great White" level of panic in any packed sports venue where the massed thousands understand the exits are limited and only the fastest will make it.

A panic stampede is a trivial matter of mob psychology and human engineering. Anyone could smuggle in the ingredients to cause a stampede. One yellow smoke grenade, plus two household chemicals, for example, combined and poured down the steps with a few yells of "GAS!! GAS!! POISON GAS!!"

That's all it would take.

66 posted on 05/25/2003 11:19:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
A panic stampede is a trivial matter of mob psychology and human engineering.

You are correct. Unfortunatly.

67 posted on 05/26/2003 7:33:17 AM PDT by myprecious
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To: hole_n_one
Nash not backpedaling from anti-war stance

DALLAS -- Steve Nash, the Mavericks' All-Star guard and perhaps the NBA's most outspoken anti-war lobbyist, said Thursday that he has no plans to modify his stance.

Nash reiterated his position after drawing criticism from a Texas statesman not known for critiquing his peers: Spurs center David Robinson.

"From the start, I spoke out just because I don't want to see the loss of life," Nash said. "People are mistaking anti-war as being unpatriotic. This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm from Canada. This is a much bigger issue. But now that we're in battle, I hope for as many lives to be spared as possible, (and) as little violence as possible before a resolution."

After Thursday's loss to the Spurs, Nash added: "I never said, 'Go out and believe what I believe.' (The message) was, 'Go out and decide for yourself.' But I am 100 percent behind the soldiers protecting our freedom. Who wouldn't be?"

Nash emerged as a prominent anti-war spokesman during All-Star Weekend in Atlanta, where he wore a T-shirt reading: "No War. Shoot for Peace." The shirt was designed by a former high school classmate in British Columbia, and Nash insists that the reaction has been "unbelievably positive compared to negative."

"People come up to me all the time and say, 'Thank you,' " Nash said, adding that his original intent was merely to spark debate, which the shirt and the stance have certainly accomplished.

Of course, the anti-war platform also drew a strong rebuke Thursday from Robinson, the former Naval officer. Nash was lumped into the discussion by a reporter asking Robinson to react to statements from Mavericks guard Nick Van Exel, who said on his weekly radio show in Dallas that there's a sentiment among some players in the Mavs' locker room that President Bush's war initiative gives Americans "a bad name."

"I get a little bit upset," Robinson said. "The time for debate is really beforehand. Obviously history will speak on whether this was the right thing or the wrong thing, but right now (the soldiers) are out there. Support 'em. There's plenty of time for commentary later."

"If it's an embarrassment to them," Robinson added, "maybe they should be in a different country, because this is America and we're supposed to proud of the guys we elected and put in office."

“ I'm not embarrassed by America. I'm embarrassed by humanity. More than embarrassed, I think it's really unfortunate in the year 2003 that we're still using violence as a means of conflict resolution. That's what I'm speaking out against. ” — Steve Nash

It must be said, however, that neither Nash nor Van Exel has publicly used the word "embarrassment." That was the word presented to Robinson by the reporter asking the question.

Van Exel tried to clarify his position before Thursday's game by saying: "I don't want it to be like, 'He hates Bush.' I'm definitely not like that. I have my opinions but in no way are they negative toward George Bush or my country." In his radio interview Wednesday, before the Bush comment, Van Exel did say: "Nobody is dissing America. We all love America. Even the Germans and the Canadians and the Frenchmen."

Playing in the president's home state, and some coming from countries whose governments have voiced opposition to the U.S. war effort, Mavericks players who speak out against it place themselves at greater risk for criticism.

Dallas owner Mark Cuban, meanwhile, sported his own T-shirt Thursday, in red instead of Mavericks blue and bearing the flag-themed message: "United We Stand."

"I'm not embarrassed by America," Nash said. "I'm embarrassed by humanity. More than embarrassed, I think it's really unfortunate in the year 2003 that we're still using violence as a means of conflict resolution. That's what I'm speaking out against."

Said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, an Air Force Academy alumnus: "My reaction to that is that it's further proof how great our country is, because you can't have opinions of any sort in some places. No matter how unpopular someone's opinion might be, he or she is allowed to have it in this country, and that's what makes it great."

68 posted on 05/26/2003 7:46:05 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Thanks, Arch!

Another reason to be glad that the Spurs and The Admiral are up 3-1.

69 posted on 05/26/2003 8:17:53 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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Game 6

DAL 97
SA 88
2:00 4th quarter

70 posted on 05/27/2003 8:49:17 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
Game 6 s/b Game 5
71 posted on 05/27/2003 8:51:11 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
Not only is this game over, so is this series.......it's simply a matter of the next 48 hours passing.

Idiot!

Game 5
Final
DAL 103
SA 91

72 posted on 05/27/2003 8:57:12 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: sinkspur
Got glass?
73 posted on 05/29/2003 9:15:29 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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