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To: mrustow
"legacies" = alumni brats. Just thought some folks might need a translation.

Not every legacy is an alumni brat, George W. Bush and his father certainly weren't. Ann Coulter did the research, something like seventy something percent of yale legacy's would have gotten in anyway based on there own grades and scores. I went to St. Johns University, if my kids wanted to go there one day (god knows why they would), they wouldn't be some alumni brat.

Personally, I don't like legacy programs, or automatic addmissions to university staff kids or kids of big time donors or race admissions, the only thing that I can say I would support are either race blind socio-economic preferences and to a limited extent, very limited, kids who generate revenue for the school to subsidize the kids who get acadmeic scholarships (somone's got to pay, usually its because the sports teams bring in money that can be used to pay out scholarships). However, first and foremost, should be grades, like the 10% programs.

7 posted on 05/26/2003 5:07:16 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
I went to St. Johns University, if my kids wanted to go there one day (god knows why they would), they wouldn't be some alumni brat.

As long as they got in on their own merit, I wouldn't see why they'd be considered that. If preferences are given, that seems wrong ---the best students should be given the best chances for getting in. I can see "best" being different things, not necessarily just grades or test scores, possibly other kinds of acheviement should count.

9 posted on 05/26/2003 5:39:18 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Sonny M
"legacies" = alumni brats. Just thought some folks might need a translation.

Not every legacy is an alumni brat, George W. Bush and his father certainly weren't. Ann Coulter did the research, something like seventy something percent of yale legacy's would have gotten in anyway based on there own grades and scores.

My understanding is that GWB did get into Yale as an alumni brat. With that said, let me add that I am Annie's #1 fan, and if she did the research, and you have a link to her, I'll be glad to read what she had to say on the subject.

15 posted on 05/26/2003 8:58:29 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Sonny M
It is the ultimate in disingenuous reasoning to compare racial preferences to other types of preferences. Anyone of any race can be an athlete, legacy benificiary, scholar, musician, or veteran. ONLY people with the "politically correct" DNA, annointed by the mostly politically correct, can get the racial preference entitlement. This is nothing more than a form of wrongful appropriation through cultural Marxism.

The "gubmint schools" turning out students largely unable to compete fairly for slots at elite educational institutions need to be fixed. All this folderol about AA tends to mask this failure. For the record I am a Chicago black man who has seen the products of these pitiful public schools first hand as a police officer, am sick of it, and want a remedy, preferably in the form of educational vouchers.
19 posted on 05/27/2003 10:06:27 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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