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To: Common Tator
Third parties do not decide races. They never have ... they never will.

Ross Perot effectively brought Clinton to office.

Teddy Roosevelt on the Bull Moose ticket split the Republicans resulting in Woodrow Wilson's election (and the creation of the Federal Reserve)

Both were bad things.

15 posted on 05/26/2003 9:14:30 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: AdamSelene235
Ross Perot effectively brought Clinton to office.

Bush 41 would have needed 2/3 of the Perot voters to win. I don't think he would have gotten that many of them if Perot hadn't run.

16 posted on 05/26/2003 9:26:49 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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To: AdamSelene235
Teddy Roosevelt on the Bull Moose ticket split the Republicans resulting in Woodrow Wilson's election (and the creation of the Federal Reserve)

Interesting. I had forgotten that one.

I wonder how many of the Communist Party will support the Democrats? I recall when Joseph McCarthy won the primary elections in Wisconsin, the Communist Party went off the ticket and backed the Democratic candidate.

18 posted on 05/26/2003 9:34:04 PM PDT by Susannah (If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao; you ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow. ~ Beatles)
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To: AdamSelene235
That is not true. Ross Perot did not effect the outcome of either election in which he ran. A lot of research was done by both the Democratic party and the Republican party on the effect of Ross Perot. The research showed that if Perot had not run in 1992 or in 1996 the people that voted for him would have split their votes between Bush and Clinton. Clinton would still have won.

The proof is in the house seats. The house seats had been Gerrymanderd in the Repubicans favor after the 1990 election as all elections since 1994 prove. Yet a majority of the people who voted for Perot Voted for Democratic house members. You argue that these people would have voted for Bush for president in 1992 and at the same time voted for Democrats in the house. Anyone who thinks Dole had a chance against Clinton in 1996 believes Clinton was convicted and removed from office. It is just a pipe dream.

You state things as fact that are demonstratably untrue.

The same is true of 1912. Taft was an unpoplular president... even more unpopular than Bush Sr was in 1992. The Republican's had been in power for sixteen years. The public was ready for a change and Taft was not a likeable person. He was not an admired figure. There is zero evidence that Teddy Roosevelt cost Taft the election. William Howard Taft cost William Howard Taft the election.

Teddy Roosevelt was a very liberal politition. He had founded the first quasi judicial department of goverment. A Quasi Judicial department is one that can accuse judge and punish citiziens. It was the first leftist implementation of a federal government dictatorship where one could be accused, tried and punished by the same persons in a governemnt agency.

Teddy had garnered support because he was far more liberal than Taft. Had Teddy not run on the Bull Moose ticket his leftist supporters would have voted for Wilson. Wilson would have won. Teddy's Bull Moose attack on Taft was that Taft was way too conservative. Wilson made the same points. Teddy ran because he was certain the conservative Taft would be defeated by the liberal Wilson. He would have been... and in fact was.

You distort history to make a point that can not be justified by the facts or the issues in the campaigns.

28 posted on 05/27/2003 3:29:55 AM PDT by Common Tator
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