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Alert to Developing World Catholics: chasm between orthodox believers and radicals in western power
C-FAM ^ | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 05/27/2003 1:17:07 PM PDT by Polycarp

Dear Colleague,

This is not a UN item. Still, I believe that everyone, especially those in the developing world, most especially those in Africa must be alerted to an abomination that just occured at Jesuit-run Georgetown University in Washington DC.

Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria, President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, was invited to address the Georgetown graduation commencement ceremony a few days ago. The article below explains what happened to him for speaking the truths of the faith.

I urge everyone in the developing world to get this news report below to as many high level churchmen as possible, especially Cardinals. They should know what orthodox faith faces in the seats of western power. The people that insulted Cardinal Arinze are very powerful within academia, certainly, but also within American and western society. And they are also a large power within the Church.

I can think of no better example of how far apart are orthodox believers and the radicals in western power centers than what is told in this story.

Spread the word.

Yours sincerely,

Austin Ruse President Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute

Action item:

First, spread the story below far and wide, and especially among the Episcopate. Every Bishop and Cardinal in Africa, Latin America, and the Far East must read this.

Second, email John DeGioia, President of Georgetown University at president@georgetown.edu, and tell him you are angry at how Cardinal Arinze was insulted by Georgetown and that Georgetown owes Cardinal Arinze and all Catholics an apology.

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Cardinal's anti-gay comment sparks protest

By CARLOS CAMPOS

Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

WASHINGTON -- A Roman Catholic cardinal seen as a top contender to succeed Pope John Paul II has sparked student and faculty protests at Georgetown University with a remark he made about homosexuals in a commencement speech.

A letter protesting the speech by Cardinal Francis Arinze was signed by about 70 faculty members at the Jesuit university and delivered Wednesday to Jane McAuliffe, dean of the university's school of arts and sciences.

McAuliffe, a specialist in Islamic studies, invited Arinze -- president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue -- to speak on Christian-Muslim relations at the school's graduation ceremonies last Saturday.

Instead, the Nigerian prelate told the graduates that happiness is found not in the pursuit of material wealth or pleasures of the flesh, but by fervently adhering to religious beliefs.

Arinze then spoke of the importance of family to the Roman Catholic Church.

"In many parts of the world, the family is under siege," Arinze said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by the university. "It is opposed by an anti-life mentality as is seen in contraception, abortion, infanticide and euthanasia. It is scorned and banalized by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery, mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two by divorce."

Theresa Sanders, a professor of theology at the university, protested by leaving the stage where Arinze was speaking. Other students upset with the comments also reportedly left, according to e-mails on a subscription list used by many of the university's gay and lesbian students.

Sanders did not return a phone call to her office.

Ed Ingebretsen, a professor of English at Georgetown and a priest in the American Catholic Church, said Wednesday that Arinze's remarks are in line with Roman Catholic doctrine, but nonetheless seemed out of place at the commencement ceremony.

"These things are exactly what he's paid to say," Ingebretsen said. "(But) it's a graduation; why he decided to do the pro-family thing no one seems to know."

Ingebretsen said he was compelled, as a writer, to post a short apology on the e-mail subscription list "on behalf of Catholics" for Arinze's "insensitive remarks." Ingebretsen said the remarks were "un-Christian."

Tommaso Astarita, a professor of history at Georgetown, called the message by Arinze "wildly inappropriate" for a commencement ceremony. Astarita said the comments may have been more palatable had they been made in a different setting, such as an invited lecture.

"I personally was rather offended by it," said Astarita, one of the professors circulating the protest letter forwarded to McAuliffe. "I thought it was divisive and inappropriate."

In an e-mail to college's faculty members, the dean said she was "very surprised" by the content of Arinze's speech.

"I am deeply concerned that students, parents and faculty found parts of the commencement address upsetting to them," McAuliffe wrote. "I'm sure that Cardinal Arinze did not intend to hurt any of his audience, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen."

McAuliffe has set aside at least two hours in her office Friday to talk to any faculty members or students about the cardinal's remarks.

On Wednesday, she issued a two-sentence statement acknowledging that she had been contacted by several students and faculty "to express their reaction, both negative and positive" to the cardinal's address. "As an academic community, vigorous and open discussion lies at the heart of what we do, and there are many different voices in the conversation."

Arinze, 70, is widely mentioned as one of the candidates to succeed John Paul II, which would make him the first African pope in the history of the Roman Catholic Church.

Arinze ascended through the ranks of the church's hierarchy in Africa, where Catholicism is flourishing. He was called by John Paul II in 1984 to work in the Vatican.

Arinze is known for his strict conservative adherence to Catholic law, while many Catholics in the United States and Europe push for more contemporary policies.

Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the Catholic archdiocese of Washington, said Arinze has a "deep perspective" through his longtime work in the church with many cultures.

"His message was certainly consistent with Catholic teaching, which seems appropriate since this is a Catholic university," "Gibbs said. "Hopefully new graduates will be inspired by his reminder that happiness does come through God."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; francisarinze; religion; religon

1 posted on 05/27/2003 1:17:08 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
With any luck, the text of Cardinal Arinze's speech will be delivered today, in which case I will post it first thing tomorrow morning.
2 posted on 05/27/2003 1:20:06 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Aquinasfan; ...
Another angle on Arinze's comments and the backlash to traditional orthodox Catholic opinion.

Related thread: When Tolerance Becomes Intolerance: Religion Increasingly Pilloried in the Public Square

3 posted on 05/27/2003 1:20:38 PM PDT by Polycarp (STILL PROUD2bRC!!!)
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To: eastsider
Great, thanks.
4 posted on 05/27/2003 1:21:40 PM PDT by Polycarp (STILL PROUD2bRC!!!)
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To: Polycarp
sounds like just what the RCC needs after JPII to counter those who have hijacked their true mission.
5 posted on 05/27/2003 1:23:15 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Polycarp
Oh I just want this man to be pope sooooo bad!
I'm still having nightmares about the Gay Cleveland website.
6 posted on 05/27/2003 1:23:35 PM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: Polycarp
BTTT
7 posted on 05/27/2003 1:24:48 PM PDT by onyx
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To: epluribus_2
Our Catholic Virginian came today and reads like the UN Mission statement incorporating socialism under the guise of social justice, redistribution under the guise of charity, and the American resolve to protect itself and its policy of ~unilateralism~ as some sort of war against peace.

We need more than this man to clean the magisterium. We need a Great Saint, a Gregory, an Augustine. Nothing less.
8 posted on 05/27/2003 1:28:54 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
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To: Polycarp
Do you really think that a 70-year old Cardinal would be selected as Pope?
9 posted on 05/27/2003 1:29:49 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Polycarp
I was part of a small audience of about 60 that Cardinal Arinze spoke to in 1996 during a pilgimage to Rome. He is fluent in English, is articulate, is filled with the Holy Spirit and is very conservative. As a rather orthodox Catholic, I would welcome him as Pope with open arms.

His conservative papacy would be the catalyst that would initiate the liberal "American Catholic" church. However, I believe that this will happen anyway and the Roman Catholic church needs someone who will not be influenced by modern society.
10 posted on 05/27/2003 1:31:34 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Polycarp
Astarita said the comments may have been more palatable had they been made in a different setting, such as an invited lecture.

I thought a commencement address was an invited lecture. Maybe he did this because he thought the kids needed to hear what he had to say.

11 posted on 05/27/2003 1:40:03 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Polycarp
Dear Polycarp,

Do you have a ping list?

If so I'd like to be on it.

Regards,
Lurking'

PS: Our parish priest had a very good homily regarding the ridicule heaped on Cardinal Arinze by the trash at Georgetown. I love small town Catholics!
12 posted on 05/27/2003 1:42:00 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98
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To: Polycarp
Good post. When Ted Kennedy opened America to massive immigration from the third world in 1965, this is something he did not consider. The Christian faith of the developing world is more traditional, more conservative than the Christian faith of the west. This is true of Protestants and Catholics alike.

Liberals thought, in their parochial way, that the Christian faith is a western artifact. Bring in non-westerners and it would disappear and allow secular humanism/marxism to prevail.

But Christ is universal. African Christianity is the religion of Christ in Africa, not today an alien faith taught by European missionaries. In fact, the trend is the opposite, The third world is sending missionaries to the west to revitalize the faith.

America is fortunate that we are being reminded of our roots The same is not true in much of Europe. An alien religion, Islam, is proseltizing Europe.

13 posted on 05/27/2003 1:44:56 PM PDT by DPB101 (Dan Sickles (D-NY) shot a man to death in front of the White House and 12 witnesses.)
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To: netmilsmom
Nah.

I questioned him once about excommunicating pro-abortion politicians and he gave me a rather diplomatic non-answer.

14 posted on 05/27/2003 1:47:48 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: RonF
Do you really think that a 70-year old Cardinal would be selected as Pope?

Age at Papal election:

St. Celestine V - 79.

Gregory XII - 78.

Callistus III - 77.

Paul IV - 79.

Gregory XIII - 70.

Innocent IX - 72.

Leo XI - 70.

Innocent X - 70.

Clement X - 79.

Blessed Innocent XI - 75.

Alexander VIII - 79.

Innocent XII - 76.

Benedict XIII - 75.

Clement XII - 78.

John XXIII - 77.

There's certainly some precedent.

15 posted on 05/27/2003 1:56:36 PM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
Precedent, yes. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm asking if you think it's likely.
16 posted on 05/27/2003 1:58:48 PM PDT by RonF
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To: DPB101
Islam is alien to everywhere except Arabia. Africa has had Christianity since well before the Roman Catholic Church gained it's current sway. It was in Egypt for hundreds of years before the sword of Islam came. Islam was imposed on Africans while the Arabs sold the Africans into slavery.
17 posted on 05/27/2003 2:01:16 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
I think the age of the Pope-elect is the last criterion considered.

The cardinalate tends to split up into impromptu factions, each of which puts forward compromise candidates which they think will lead the Church in the right direction while being palatable to the other factions.

Things might change next time around, however. The new rules allow an election by a simple majority after a certain number of failed attempts to reach a two-thirds majority.

18 posted on 05/27/2003 2:05:24 PM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: RonF
Re: likelihood. I think that younger is probably preferred to older, but the younger cardinals have less of a track record and have had less time to build a reputation.
19 posted on 05/27/2003 2:08:20 PM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Polycarp
I, too, would appreciate it if you have a ping list.
20 posted on 05/27/2003 2:30:30 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: LurkingSince'98; kitkat
Do you have a ping list?

If so I'd like to be on it.

OK, you're both added.

21 posted on 05/27/2003 2:41:47 PM PDT by Polycarp (STILL PROUD2bRC!!!)
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To: RonF
Yes, quite often an older Pope is elected on the heels of a Pope such as JPII, whose pontificate has lasted so long precisely because he was young. If the Cardinals feel its another time of impending transition, they may elect an older rather than younger Pope.

But everything is purely conjecture when it comes to predicting such things.

22 posted on 05/27/2003 2:48:52 PM PDT by Polycarp (STILL PROUD2bRC!!!)
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To: Polycarp
This is a very good argument for increased immigration from strong Catholic countries to the US. I would urge others to write their political representatives and request raising the immigration limits on Catholic countries with incentives to settle in the problem areas of the US. A rising tide raises all ships.
23 posted on 05/27/2003 2:53:31 PM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: 1stFreedom
I would say for an African,Catholic Cardinal with English not his primary language,speaking to an American about American politicians,he made a judicious decision.Sometimes discretion is truly the better part of valor.I think your case might have been one of those cases.

I also liked his remark several days ago that the days of the "do it yourself masses" were coming to an end.

Cardinal Arrinze made a trip to a highly infested,infected diocese out west and within a few months a "coadjutor" bishop was sent in to "transition" the diocese. I look at Carcinal Arrinze and say "long live Cardinal Arrinze and God keep him close".

24 posted on 05/27/2003 2:53:43 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Polycarp
The Society of Jesus doesn't answer to the Pope like other orders do.The head of the order is almost a pope himself and he alone confers with the pope. I don't believe that St Ignatius Loyola would approve of his society today.
25 posted on 05/27/2003 3:06:29 PM PDT by Gaelic
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To: Polycarp
The clash between people who desire to adhere to what God says and those who swallow the original lie told to Eve in the garden happens every generation.

"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:4-5 NIV

Or if you prefer King James English:

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The affluent West believes that it can ignore the commands of God and "be like God." The struggle apparent here in Catholicism is not unique. The Methodists, Baptists and may others are fighting the same divisive forces intent on imposing the will of people who want to be their own "god" over those who are trying to listen to the will of the genuine God. The Baptists recently fought to regain control of their universities from the liberals who disregarded the orthodox teachings. (I understand the conservatives won. Perhaps a Baptist can confirm?) This is a model for success. Either you adhere to recognized doctrine or get out. When the rebels leave they rarely remain cohesive anyway, too much seeking after their own selfish desires to sacrifice I suppose.

Cardinal Francis Arinze should be applauded, he's exactly right. Hopefully leaders like him will have the courage to speak the truth without compromise. Appeasing and compromising only weakens the Church. Whenever the truth is proclaimed without shame She grows stronger.

26 posted on 05/27/2003 4:25:12 PM PDT by GluteusMax
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To: Polycarp
Alright ...... an African freeper!! Someone spread the word to Austin Ruse President Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute, of our existence.
27 posted on 05/27/2003 4:29:16 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: eastsider
please add my name when you post
28 posted on 05/27/2003 7:27:49 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: RonF
I think it is very likely because many may regret they elected a young pope John Paul II and don't want to have another long lived papal reign.

However, in the end the Holy Spirit will triumph.
29 posted on 05/27/2003 7:31:15 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: RonF; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
"Do you really think that a 70-year old Cardinal would be selected as Pope?"

Oh yeah. If a non-Italian is chosen, he is likely to be an older prelate, so as to "limit" his power. The Church is a huge, cumbersome institution, change comes slowly. My bet is on an Italian, but Card. Arinze is making great points with the "conservatives" in the College. (Labels inside the College of Cardinals are about useless, but I use "conservative" and "orthodox" as interchangeable. Some, like the odius Card. Kasper are AT BEST heretics, others like Card. Arinze are quite orthodox, but the office makes the man, so to speak. Even Card. Kasper (Heaven forbid his election!) would likely be "orthodox" in many ways as Pope. Ugh, what a thought though.)
30 posted on 05/27/2003 7:32:08 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Polycarp
Likewise, I would like to be added to your ping list.
Thank you.
31 posted on 05/27/2003 8:02:49 PM PDT by miele man
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To: OpusatFR
I, too, received the Catholic Virginian today. It was all wet! Both literally & figuratively. And how about those typos? LOL

I'm really irritated that the paper is so wet, though. Now there's nothing to line the cat's litter box with.
32 posted on 05/27/2003 8:33:04 PM PDT by Flora McDonald (BRING AMERICA BACK TO LIFE)
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To: victim soul
... in the end the Holy Spirit will triumph.

Very true. Despite how hard it is to see our beautiful faith trampled on by those who should be defending it we must keep this in mind at all times.
34 posted on 05/27/2003 10:31:39 PM PDT by broadsword ("The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. " Edmund Burke)
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To: Polycarp
Stand up and be counted!
35 posted on 05/27/2003 10:54:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: RonF
In the last century, however, there has been a Christian explosion Africa has never seen. Over 370 million African Christians now. The real Christian/Islam conflict will be (is already) in the developing world. Many of the Christians in the Philippines and Indonesia are overseas Chinese. Someday, China is going to tell the Muslims who are constantly attacking them to stop.
36 posted on 05/27/2003 11:14:02 PM PDT by DPB101 (The first Lawyer elected Speaker of the House of Representatives was arrested for treason.)
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To: miele man
Done!
37 posted on 05/28/2003 6:07:23 AM PDT by Polycarp (STILL PROUD2bRC!!!)
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To: RonF; Polycarp
Do you really think that a 70-year old Cardinal would be selected as Pope?

Sure. In troubled times, the RCs very often select an older man, precisely because of his age and putative at least, shorter reign.

38 posted on 05/28/2003 7:03:27 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: DPB101; Polycarp
The Christian faith of the developing world is more traditional, more conservative than the Christian faith of the west. This is true of Protestants and Catholics alike.

Yes and no. Cardinal Arinze may be a conservative, but other African Bishops of the RC and Anglican persuasions are way out there in animist, polygamous, socialist radical land. Also, Third World Christianity often tends to blend Christian tenets with native religions.

Your left-wingers love this. So colorful! And it proves for them that all religions are the same and equal.

39 posted on 05/28/2003 7:08:51 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Polycarp
Bump!

God Bless Cardinal Arinze!

40 posted on 05/28/2003 7:28:13 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Polycarp
save for later
41 posted on 05/28/2003 10:25:27 AM PDT by Sergio (Thinking of something witty to say.)
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To: narses
Oh yeah. If a non-Italian is chosen, he is likely to be an older prelate, so as to "limit" his power. The Church is a huge, cumbersome institution, change comes slowly. My bet is on an Italian, but Card. Arinze is making great points with the "conservatives" in the College. (Labels inside the College of Cardinals are about useless, but I use "conservative" and "orthodox" as interchangeable. Some, like the odius Card. Kasper are AT BEST heretics, others like Card. Arinze are quite orthodox, but the office makes the man, so to speak. Even Card. Kasper (Heaven forbid his election!) would likely be "orthodox" in many ways as Pope.

It's about time someone handed it to the ultraliberal schools. The question is, where are these kids getting their catechesis from? That's the only way we can explain the phenomenon at places like Georgetown.

Cardinal Biffi is an apparent possibility. No matter how you look at it, though, being "conservative" is not good enough. One must observe what these folks say and do out there: saying that the do-it-yourself "mass" has ended is not necessarily going far enough in my opinion. Issuing a universal indult won't cut it. Mandating a change in textbooks used in catechism classes - going back to the Baltimore and Roman Catechism, for instance - is significant enough to give people hope.

If anyone knows how I can contact either of the two, please let me know. And also those responsible for backing away from the truth, stating something like, "if this is made public then the French and German bishops will declare a schism". I have to tell these people somehow that such cowardly behavior will foster schism anyways. So let them have their schism and we'll work on finding our way back onto the narrow path once again.

42 posted on 05/28/2003 10:51:39 AM PDT by huskyboy (Introibo ad altare Dei; non ad altare hominis!)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Such is the nature and history of the Christian faith. Always side stepping this way and that but with the core always enduring. Did you catch Philip Jenkins Atlantic Monthly article last October entitled The Next Christianity ? Huge demographic changes afoot. Africa is nearly 50% Christian, up from 10% a century ago--the community of Christian faith, as it did in medieval times, supercedes the nation states of the continent (which are failing as we know). There are more Catholic baptisms in the Philippines than in Italy, France, Spain and Poland combined. Pentecostals, nearly 400 million strong, may reach 1 billion in the next 35 years. They too, are heavily represented in the developing world.

Jenkins also goes into details about the perversions of faith you mention. Some weird "Christian" religions popping up in Africa and South America.

43 posted on 05/28/2003 11:12:30 AM PDT by DPB101 (The first Lawyer elected Speaker of the House of Representatives was arrested for treason.)
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To: Polycarp
signed by about 70 faculty members at the Jesuit university

Ugh! Freakin' hippie rejects from the '60s now vested with power.

44 posted on 05/29/2003 7:37:45 AM PDT by TonyRo76
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To: Polycarp
...which would make him the first African pope in the history of the Roman Catholic Church.

Not exactly. As a Christian history buff I remember something about a couple early leaders of Christians at Rome being from Africa.

And sure enough...this guy would actually be the fourth.

So Carlos Campos and the Atlanta Urinal & Constipation both flunk history, again!

45 posted on 05/29/2003 7:48:57 AM PDT by TonyRo76
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