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Homage to Catalonia and The Spanish Civil War
The History of Europe from 1715 ^ | November, 1988 | Andrew Weiss

Posted on 05/27/2003 5:09:26 PM PDT by William McKinley

Andrew Weiss
November 29, 1998
The History of Europe from 1715

 

Homage to Catalonia and The Spanish Civil War

In the 1952 novel, Homage to Catalonia, George Orwell relates his experiences in the Spanish Civil War. In 1937 Orwell traveled to Spain to cover The Spanish Civil War for a British newspaper, but soon after he arrived he joined the P.O.U.M Militia and fought against Franciso Franco. The Spanish Civil War started when Franco, a Spanish general, led a revolt against the republican government. Franco, although not a fascist himself, was backed by Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, the Spanish Church, Fascists in Spain, and large Spanish landowners. A group of leftist parties, know as the Popular Front, which included republicans, communists, socialists, Anarchists, and communist Russia formed a coalition against the Franco's army. Orwell, like Paul from All Quiet on the Western Front, was sent to the front, however Orwell had a much different experience. Unlike the well-trained killers, heavy casualties, and numerous artillery that Paul faced; Orwell describes the front as boring and full of poorly trained men with a lack of decent weapons. However, Orwell still endured the squalor and horrid conditions in trench warfare that Paul live in. During the course of the war Orwell discovers that the internal and international politics behind The Spanish Civil War are far more complicated that he first perceived.

The Spanish Civil war is more complex that than a simply a battle between fascists and republicans or socialists. First, the war might be described as a revolution rather than a civil war. The popular front is mostly made up leftist workers groups, which include the communists, socialists, and Anarchists, rather than republicans. These groups each had different agendas for Spain. The communists (P.S.U.C.), backed by Russia, wanted to set up a centralized communist government, like the one in Russia. The socialists (P.O.U.M) wanted to set up a worked controlled government with the influence of Russia. While the Anarchists (C.N.T.), also know as the Anarcho-syndicalists, wanted to establish a decentralized workers government. Likewise, Franco's collation was not completely unified. He was backed by rich landowners, which wanted to return to feudal Spain, Spanish Fascists, which wanted a Fascist Spain, and the military. In addition, international politics had considerable influence over the Spanish Civil War. Russia, who helped the Popular Front, had several reasons to intervene in the war. Orwell cynically asserts that Russia wanted to help maintain stability and the status quo in Spain because they were allies and had many treaties and alliances. Furthermore, Russia wanted to limit the power of Fascism in Europe. German and Italy backed Franco because they wanted to extent Fascist and authoritarian rule in Europe.

Orwell quickly leans the diverging ideologies of the many groups in the Popular Front have lead to serious tensions and even violent conflict. For example, while Orwell is on leave from the front in Barcelona riots erupt after the Comminutes storm the Anarchist run telephone company. During the next few days that follow there is bitter fight between groups that are supposedly on the same side. Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, all members of the Popular Front, ware shooting at each other. As the war progress the divisions become more defined. By the end of the book, the P.O.U.M is declared illegal and Socialists and Anarchists are being rounded up and jailed. Luckily Orwell, with aid of British consulate, is able escape to France and eventually back to England.

In Homage to Catalonia Orwell the complexities of the internal and international politics involved in the Spanish Civil War. Both sides of the war, the Popular Front and army of Franco, were hardly unified. Within each group contained several smaller groups, each with their own ideologies and aims. To make maters more complicated there were several foreign countries also involved in the war. Russia, Italy and Germany were each involved, while England and France remained out of the war. Most likely they stayed out of the conflict because each country did not what to get involved in another war so soon after they experienced the horrors of WWI. This type of isolationism was inductive of England and France's policy of appeasement of Germany during the 1930s. Perhaps Orwell summed up the divisions of the Popular Front when he lamented, "'Why can't we drop all of this political nonsense and get on with the war?'" (Orwell 47).


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: georgeorwell; history; orwell; spain; spanishcivilwar

1 posted on 05/27/2003 5:09:26 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
What a bizzare coincidence, I just finished reading this book earlier today. Orwell's description of the street "fighting" in Barcelona between the Civil Guard and Anarchists/POUM was really interesting. It shows how ideology and small scale stakes get get in between people with similar goals and divide them.

The struggle of the Popular Front government reminds me of the struggle the Democratic Party is starting have. All the divergent interest groups are tearing apart potential Democrat candidates for silly reasons. NOW, the enviromentalists, reperation seekers and different ethnic groups are going to be fighting each other as Bush waltzes to a victory in 2004.

2 posted on 05/27/2003 5:13:47 PM PDT by ChicagoRepublican
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To: William McKinley
Barcelona, 1936, from Homage to Catalonia, by George Orwell.
This was in late December 1936, less than seven months ago as I write, and yet it is a period that has already receded into enormous distance. Later events have obliterated it much more completely than they have obliterated 1935, or 1905, for that matter. I had come to Spain with some notion of writing newspaper articles, but I had joined the militia almost immediately, because at that time and in that atmosphere it seemed the only conceivable thing to do. The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was still in full swing. To anyone who had been there since the beginning it probably seemed even in December or January that the revolutionary period was ending; but when one came straight from England the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags ow with the red and black flag of the Anarchists; every wall was scrawled with the hammer and sickle and with the initials of the revolutionary parties; almost every church had been gutted and its images burnt. Churches here and there were being systematically demolished by gangs of workman. Every shop and cafe had an inscription saying that it had been collectivised; even the bootblacks had been collectivized and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-walkers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. Nobody said 'Sen~or' or 'Don' ort even 'Usted'; everyone called everyone else 'Comrade' or 'Thou', and said 'Salud!' instead of 'Buenos dias'. Tipping had been forbidden by law since the time of Primo de Rivera; almost my first experience was receiving a lecture from a hotel manager for trying to tip a lift-boy. There were no private motor-cars, they had all been commandeered, and the trams and taxis and much of the other transport were painted red and black. The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. Down the Ramblas, the wide central artery of the town where crowds of people streamed constantly to and fro, the loud-speakers were bellowing revolutionary songs all day and far into the night. And it was the aspect of the crowds that was the queerest thing of all. In outward appearance it was a town in which the wealthy classes had practically ceased to exist. Except for a small number of women and foreigners there were no 'well-dressed' people at all. Practically everyone wore rough working-class clothes, or blue overalls or some variant of militia uniform. All this was queer and moving. There was much in this that I did not understand, in some ways I did not not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for. Also, I believed that things were as they appeared, that this was really a workers' State and that the entire bourgeoisie had either fled, been killed or voluntarily come over to the workers' side; I did not realise that great numbers of well-to-do bourgeois were simply lying low and disguising themselves as proletarians for the time being.
"There was much in this that I did not understand, in some ways I did not not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for." For all of Orwell's brilliance, he was capable of mind-bending blindness.
Together with all this there was something of the evil atmosphere of war. The town had a gaunt untidy look, roads and buildings were in poor repair, the streets at night were dimly lit for fear of air-raids, the shops were mostly shabby and half-empty. Meat was scarce and milk practically unobtainable, there was a shortage of coal, sugar and petrol, and a really serious shortage of bread. Even at this period the bread-queues were often hundreds of yards long. Yet so far as one could judge the people were contented and hopeful. There was no unemployment, and the price of living was still extremely low; you saw very few conspicuously destitute people, and no beggars except the gypsies. #Above all, there was a belief in the revolution and the future, a feeling of having suddenly emerged into an era of equality and freedom. Human beings were trying to behave as human beings and not as cogs in the capitalist machine. In the barbers' shops were Anarchist notices (the barbers were mostly Anarchists) solemnly explaining that barbers were no longer slaves. In the streets were coloured posters appealing to prostitutes to stop being prostitutes. To anyone from the hard-boiled, sneering civilization of the English-speaking races there was something rather pathetic in the literalness with which these idealistic Spaniards took the hackneyed phrase of revolution. At that time revolutionary ballads of the naivest kind, all about the proletarian brotherhood and the wickedness of Mussolini, were being sold on the streets for a few centimes each. I have often seen an illiterate militiaman buy one of these ballads, laboriously spell out the words, and then, when he had got the hang of it, begin singing it to an appropriate tune.
Some read these passages by Orwell, and don't realize that this was the leftist dream realized. This was as good as it gets.

And it wasn't that good.

3 posted on 05/27/2003 5:15:52 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley; PJ-Comix
And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead...

Seriously, I recently read Homage to Catalonia as it was on P.J. Comix's Freeper reading list a few months back. We discussed the book on this thread.

Interesting stuff thought all that alphabet soup (acronyms of all the various factions) was very hard to keep up with. My head was spinning. However, fascinating account of what it was like in static trench warfare, something that the German blitzkrieg was about to do away with forever.

Speaking of the Freeper reading club, we are supposed to start discussion tonight of Babbitt, a Sinclair Lewis book.

4 posted on 05/27/2003 5:18:54 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 264 (-26))
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To: William McKinley
I suppose if you know anything about anarchists and Communists, you will know that they are not very nice people. The first thing they did on taking power was to start shooting priests and nuns and other innocent people.

On the whole, Franco was more honorable, and less murderous, than his opponents. Moreover, once he won power he succeeded in keeping Spain out of the war. Unlike Mussolini, he managed to keep Hitler at arm's length.

He has been greatly vilified by the leftists who wrote most of the histories of the 20th century but, on the whole, he was a good man, much like Pinochet in Chile. He did what had to be done, but he didn't torture and kill millions of innocent people for the sake of killing, as did Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. The fate of Spain would have been far grimmer had the Stalinists won.
5 posted on 05/27/2003 5:21:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
I do :-) And you are very correct.

You are right about how slanted most 'history' writing is, but I have found the writings on the Spanish Civil War to be particularly slanted, and surprisingly sparse.

6 posted on 05/27/2003 5:31:41 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
This is a nice summary of the competing factions and interests involved in that war. When I was in college I chose The Spanish Civil War as a research paper topic because my mother had been caught there when it started and I wanted to know more about who the actual opponents were.

It was a terrible project because it was impossible to find source material that offered much insight at all. The only consolation was the professor couldn't have had a clue either. I really enjoyed typing as one foot note reference: Personal conversation with a witness.That was pretty cool!

My mother had to flee over the Pyrenees and be interned in Paris for some weeks before she could get back to America. She was just telling me today, coincidentally, as we were talking about leftists not liking to be labelled as 'liberals' , that the authorities in Spain stamped passports: "anti-fascisti" not communist.
7 posted on 05/27/2003 5:34:19 PM PDT by maica (Don't believe everything you read in the papers- Jayson Blair)
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To: William McKinley
I would not have read this book but for P-J Comix and the Freeper reading club. I thought it enlightening but was too shy to jump in to the discussion.
8 posted on 05/27/2003 5:35:15 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: SamAdams76
Babbitt discussion is HERE. Sorry for the delay today but Broward County had a DELUGE of about 10 inches of rain and I couldn't get back home until a little while ago. I bet today's rainstorm here makes the national news.
9 posted on 05/27/2003 5:38:15 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (He Who Laughs Last Was Too Dumb To Figure out the Joke First)
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To: PJ-Comix
Okay, I'll bounce over there. I just checked southern Florida on one of my weather sites. You guys got hammered! Hopefully everything at your house is okay.

10 posted on 05/27/2003 5:43:16 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 264 (-26))
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To: William McKinley
I agree that Homage to Catalonia is a good book on the Civil War. It was the beginning of Orwell's disillusionment with the left.

While my Aunt was in Avila visiting the haunts of St. Teresa some years ago, she happened to fall down and break an arm. While recovering, she met Doña Isabella, a volunteer worker in the local hospital, who subsequently became a dear friend and occasionally would visit us in America. Doña Isabella's family suffered during the Civil War, and several of them were shot--in effect murdered because they were pious Christians.

Having a connection like that puts a human face on those atrocities.
11 posted on 05/27/2003 5:44:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
By popular demand, another Spanish Civil War thread.

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History ping list, let me know.
12 posted on 05/27/2003 5:46:09 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: Sparta
I would like on that list, please.
13 posted on 05/27/2003 6:18:13 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Sparta
Thanks for the ping.
14 posted on 05/27/2003 6:19:06 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair (Don't be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.)
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To: William McKinley
FYI, there is no subject on earth that gets the aging fairy leftists at The New York Times salivating like the Spanish Civil War.
15 posted on 05/27/2003 6:46:09 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: maica
...The Spanish Civil war is more complex than simply a battle between fascists and republicans or socialists...

The Spanish Civil War was simple. It was merely a war of personality among a group of totalitarian leftists, who had but a few rhetorical phrases to differentiate their philosophies.

They were all the same, Communist, Fascist, Nazi or Anarchist. The only difference was the leadership.

16 posted on 05/27/2003 6:56:51 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Stupid doesn't explain it but treason does.)
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To: Sparta
Thanks for the ping. Appreciate your efforts.
17 posted on 05/27/2003 7:08:12 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Cicero
On the whole, Franco was more honorable, and less murderous, than his opponents. Moreover, once he won power he succeeded in keeping Spain out of the war.

Not to mention what he did for Spain's economy. A grossly misunderestimated individual.

18 posted on 05/27/2003 7:12:19 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Sparta
I'd like on the ping list.
19 posted on 05/27/2003 7:25:25 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: Cicero
One of my Spanish friends fought, with the socialists in Spain against Franco. He was an officer in a "workers battalion" from Catalonia. He told me he lost his liberal leanings when his commanders assigned a Russian political officer to the battalion he commanded.

The Russian wanted my friend to issue a charge order against emplaced Nazi-supplied machine guns. When my friend realized that it would be pure suicide to charge the position but the Russian kept screaming at him to obey the order. He told me he drew his revolver and shot the Russian dead. From then on he said he could not stand Russian commies and finally escaped to Mexico where he joined our American company and loved capitalism.

20 posted on 05/27/2003 7:28:56 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: maica; William McKinley
I really enjoyed typing as one foot note reference: Personal conversation with a witness.That was pretty cool!

I wish I could have done so.

My father was a Republican broadcaster on the island of Mallorca. He was forced to flee the island when he found out he was on "Franco's list". He made it to Puerto Rico and then to New York and established a new life in America.

He died when I was 4 years old so I never really knew him.

I respect his political beliefs but can never understand his political affiliations.

They say war makes strange bedfellows but I couldn't have slept with his allies. I'd have probably joined up with...

Jeez what a complicated situation...

I'd have held my nose and backed Franco.

21 posted on 05/27/2003 7:43:40 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; maica
They were all the same, Communist, Fascist, Nazi or Anarchist. The only difference was the leadership.

You get an "F" for the course. Sign up for remedial history 101 immediately or face suspension.

22 posted on 05/27/2003 8:45:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: William McKinley
And if you aren't interested yet, let me add that Orwell describes, in the first person, the experience of being shot in the neck very vividly.

It's easier to wade through the alphabet soup when you know that's coming.
23 posted on 05/27/2003 8:50:49 PM PDT by Oschisms
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To: William McKinley; Sparta; Travis McGee; facedown; Cicero; BlackElk
Sparta-thanks for the ping. I feel like Pacino in the Godfather-everytime I douse all the flames from my pro-Franco comments you drag me back in ;-)

IMHO, Franco was a hero of Western Civilization.

Notice how the article fails to include outraged Catholics who fought alongside Franco. It seems they were quite upset about the murder, raping and torturing of priests, nuns, and church goers.

What the leftists never tell you is that Franco resisted the militarys urging to join up with them until the last minute. He wanted to stay true to Spain, whatever form the government was to take. He was stationed in the Canary Islands when the communists dragged the leader of Parliament (his name escapes me) out in the middle of the night and shot him. That was the equivalent for us of taking Dennis Hastert or Bill Frist out from his home in the middle of the night and shooting him. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for Franco. He went down to Morrocco and got all of his old muslim hunting club boys together and crossed over to Spain. I believe there were 4 main generals but it soon became evident that "Francito" (he was short and several years there junior) was most qualified to lead them.

While history is unkind to him we must remember that HE WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY LEADER TO BEAT BACK THE COMMUNISTS OUT OF HIS COUNTRY IN BLOODY STREET TO STREET FIGHTING. No cold war for him-he just hauled off and kicked their asses.

After the war, he was mostly magnanimous in victory. He buried the dead from both sides in the Valley of the Fallen (Magnificent memorial-I was there in 98). He may have executed a few murdering communist thugs, but which one of us wouldn't in his shoes. He made the eventual peaceful transfer to a democracy. While some would indict him for that, history again proves him correct. The socialists promptly screwed things up until Aznar (our staunch ally) took over.

FWIW, Churchill said if he was a Spaniard he would have fought for Franco, Ike loved him, and despite massive help from the Nazi's, Franco managed to rebuff Hitler. Hitler wanted to go down to Gibraltar and cut off the British. Franco said no and was prepared to fight the Germans despite having just been bled white. He did, however, send the famed Blue Division to fight for the Germans. Man, did they kill a lot of Communist troops.

Think how different Europe would have looked if Stalin had successfully installed a puppet government.

Anyone looking for an objective account of Franco and the Spanish Civil War should read a book (title escapes me) by Stanley Payne.

Flame away.

24 posted on 05/28/2003 6:50:38 AM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: Cicero
Homage to Catalonia is a brilliant book; give a copy to any young person leaning left that you know.

It's a great way to begin to disperse the fog of leftism.
25 posted on 05/28/2003 6:50:58 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: facedown; Travis McGee
I'd have held my nose and backed Franco.

Learning more about Franco was one reason for doing the research. He was the 'good' guy out of all the factions involved, but even back then propaganda from the left became accepted wisdom to the masses.

To cite an example closer to home, the name Pinochet causes a reflexive response of "bad." Yet he saved his country from communism and returned it to full democracy in 15 years.

Castro overthrew an autocrat and is still a dictator 44 years later.

The liberal press have never had a good word to say about Pinochet, yet Chile is a success story. Castro gets kid glove treatment and Cubans are trying to swim to Florida to get away from the conditions there.

26 posted on 05/28/2003 6:52:43 AM PDT by maica (Don't believe everything you read in the papers- Jayson Blair)
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To: MattinNJ
He buried the dead from both sides in the Valley of the Fallen (Magnificent memorial-I was there in 98).

And had himself buried there as well.


27 posted on 05/28/2003 7:03:48 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown
Vivo Cristo Rey.
28 posted on 05/28/2003 7:19:49 AM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: maica
To cite an example closer to home, the name Pinochet causes a reflexive response of "bad." Yet he saved his country from communism and returned it to full democracy in 15 years.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Pinochet was another hero that the left has managed to villify.

Castro gets kid glove treatment and Cubans are trying to swim to Florida to get away from the conditions there.

Yup. My father-in-law had to do two years in a labor camp to get his family out. Franco took the Cubans in with open arms. They all were given jobs (not welfare) and medical care (my wife was born in Madrid). I guess thats why I am partial to Franco. To this day my father-in-law thanks Franco every day for his kindness and curses Castro for ruining his beloved Havana.

29 posted on 05/28/2003 7:28:36 AM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: MattinNJ
Ineresting item that I just read on another thread: ---



***NEWS***

Influx of Iraqi Officals Reported in Cuba [After Fall of Baghdad]

Large number of former officials from Saddam Hussein's Government have been given safe haven in Cuba, Cuban exile sources say.

The former officials and their families arrived in Havana in the days following the fall of Baghdad April 9th.

News of the Iraqis in Cuba comes amid reports that France provided passports to Iraqi officials to help them flee the country.

About a dozen passports were found in Iraq by US Military Intelligence survey teams and defense officials believe France provided the passports to the Iraqis.

Other officials said the passports might have been looted or forged.

Cuba's Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein have had close ties in the past.

41 posted on 05/28/2003 10:35 AM EDT by Carolina
30 posted on 05/28/2003 7:44:33 AM PDT by maica (Don't believe everything you read in the papers- Jayson Blair)
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To: maica
LOL, I just posted on that thread. I, for one, look forward to that butchers death.

I tend to be an isolationist, but I have yet to figure out why we just don't take him out. Especially now that the Russians aren't there to back him up and his air force is down to a few crop dusters. He is due for a little "Shock and Awe".

31 posted on 05/28/2003 7:50:02 AM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: Sparta
Thanks! My grandfather went over there to fight against Franco, but I really have no idea what his motivation was. I'm going to start this book as soon as I'm done with the anthology of Orwell's essays that I bought last week :)
32 posted on 05/28/2003 9:19:16 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Sparta
Please add me to list.

And, lack of accurate reporting of Spanish Civil War is in part (or all) due to the US's romance with Soviet Union and with the leftist volunteers that got so much popular hype at the time.

By the time facts had shown otherwise, there was little new history being done of the period and the masses had Hemmingway upon whom to base their opinions.



33 posted on 05/28/2003 9:30:36 AM PDT by norton
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To: MattinNJ; maica
No flame from me. Franco and Pinochet are in my Pantheon of Heroes.

You can't beat a well orgaized and financed communist takeover by sending nicely worded diplomatic notes.

You have to choke their windpipes before they drive their dagger into your heart.

Oh for a Cuban Franco!

34 posted on 05/28/2003 1:38:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; maica
Oh for a Cuban Franco!

There were Cuban Franco's. They were stabbed in the back and led to the slaughter by JFK. Castro held his troops back from attacking during the Bay of Pigs because we had a carrier right off the coast to support the revolt. When it became obvious that we were not going to launch any planes he moved his armor in for the slaughter. I remember reading a first hand account of a crewman on the bridge who saw the Admiral BEG "Please, Mr. President, just one plane." The Admiral broke down in tears.

Despite no air cover, the Cubans put up a fierce resistance. With air cover, most military analysts say that Castro would have hid in the hills and 40 plus years of suffering could have been avoided.

35 posted on 05/28/2003 1:51:17 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: MattinNJ
What an excellent summary of the history of Franco.

And thanks for including the raping and killing that was going on against the nuns and clergy.
36 posted on 05/28/2003 1:52:29 PM PDT by maica (Don't believe everything you read in the papers- Jayson Blair)
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To: MattinNJ
I stand corrected. Mea Culpa.
37 posted on 05/28/2003 1:53:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Franco and Pinochet are in my Pantheon of Heroes.

Oops. Forget to add "Well put". If only people would open their damn eyes and compare and contrast Chile with Argentina or Spain with Yugoslavia.

38 posted on 05/28/2003 1:54:42 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: MattinNJ
Yes, or either with Cuba.
39 posted on 05/28/2003 1:59:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; MattinNJ
On the subject of the anti-Castro Cubans, Felix Rodriguez's autobiography "Shadow Warrior" is a good one. From training in the jungles of Central America with American Spec Ops, to recon missions into Cuba itself, it is a great read.

Be forewarned: Rodriguez dealt with Ollie North on a number of occasions vis-a-vis the contras, and Ollie comes off as a self-righteous, arrogant, blowhard naif who was in way over his head.

40 posted on 05/28/2003 2:01:34 PM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: MattinNJ

If only people would open their damn eyes and compare and contrast Chile with Argentina or Spain with Yugoslavia.

Funny thing you mention the former Yugoslavia. The Croatian leader during Croatia's War of Independence, Tudjman, reminds me of Franco and Pinochet. He killed off the Serbian communists and for a while fought the Al-Qaeda Muslim forces in Bosnia, until Bubba Clinton threatened to bomb Croatian forces unless they joined forces with the Muslims against the Serbs. He also laid the foundations for a free market economy in Croatia, which has been undone by the current left-leaning Croatian government.

41 posted on 05/28/2003 2:04:21 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: Seydlitz
Thanks. I will put it on my list of must reads.
42 posted on 05/28/2003 2:37:42 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: ChicagoRepublican
bfl.
43 posted on 05/28/2003 2:44:29 PM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: William McKinley
These accounts of Orwell's make for a very good read. Ronald Radosh, in his story of being a former Red, compliments this.

It was a time of the communists eating their own. There was a split between the Leninists and the Trotskyites. Franco won because Stalin had ordered a purge in Spain of the P.O.U.M. which was the Partido Obero de Unificacion Marxista whom he believed were influenced by Trotsky.

At the same time, 1937, thousands were massing in NYC to hear the protests of Trotsky against the Stalinists/Leninists. Because of the sickening purges in Spain, Moscow and elsewhere, Whitaker Chambers saw the light and finally defected in 1939.

Radosh has published a second book filled with documents relating to these communist crimes in Spain. His uncle was a Trotskyite who left the US to fight in that mess.
44 posted on 05/28/2003 2:50:29 PM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: Sparta
Tudjman sounds like a great man. I'm going to do some research on him-thanks for the heads up.
45 posted on 05/28/2003 6:16:10 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: HISSKGB
Eleanor Roosevelt was, of course, a vocal supporter of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.
46 posted on 06/02/2003 6:43:11 PM PDT by DPB101 (Support H.R. 1305 to cut the Federal tax on beer in half)
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To: DPB101
Eleanor Roosevelt was very effective in her support of left-wing commie causes. She, as others did, pretended to care for the downtrodden while at the same time aligned herself with Margaret Sanger to further the cause of involuntary sterilizations of blacks,etc.
47 posted on 06/03/2003 6:47:07 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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