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Why is the USA the World's Divorce Leader? (Poll + FReeper's book on Dr. Laura)
www.knowingme-knowingyou.com ^ | May 28, 2003 | Malcolm B. Stephens

Posted on 05/28/2003 1:23:02 PM PDT by MalcolmS

Imagine that you’ve decided to build a house in a particular area.  You’re willing to invest the money, time and effort to make something that will last a lifetime.  You want to move in and make it your own.  But as you drive through the neighborhood, you notice something is desperately wrong.  Some houses look sound, but many others are sagging—perhaps they are houses divided against themselves.  But most disturbingly, over half of the houses in this vast subdivision have been completely destroyed.  They are collapsed, burnt-out shells that leave the impression of a village in Kosovo after a bout of vicious ethnic cleansing.  You imagine the suffering of those who once lived in those homes, and you wonder, do I really want to move here?

That’s the question faced by Americans when they consider moving to the USA’s 51st state—the state of matrimony.  Do I really want to move here?  It looks like a bad neighborhood.

The US leads G8 Nations in divorce, and is in statistical tie with Sweden for the world’s divorce title.  The US rate is over 25% higher than the number-two contender, Russia.  Strangely, it’s almost 50% higher than Canada, a country with a culture that many others in the world see as almost indistinguishable from that of the USA.

Divorce Rates in G8 Nations (per 100 Marriages)

USA 54.8
Russia 43.4
UK 42.6
Germany 39.4
France 38.3
Canada 37
Italy 10
Japan 1.9

Other Reference Nations

Switerland 25.5
Sweden 54.9

(Source:  www.divorcereform.org)

The economic costs are high.  Statistically, women & children are hardest hit, and often end up struggling to get by.  That’s not to say that divorced men don’t take an economic hit too.  It’s a lose-lose proposition.  Some argue that divorce is a major cause of poverty in America.  That doesn’t count the emotional costs, such as the fact that millions of children grow up without their fathers as a significant presence in their lives.

On the flip side, married men and women are statistically more likely to live longer, happier, healthier and wealthier lives.

Given all this, you have to wonder about America’s future as the impact of a divorce culture generates a cumulative effect on future generations.

It also begs the question, why is the American divorce rate so high?  Some would blame it on America’s cultural center of gravity.  Hollywood is a place where marriages must be measured, like a baby’s age, in months in order for anyone to have a 25th “anniversary”. 

Could it be that American men so much worse than than men around the world?  It’s hard to believe American men are worse than, for example, the French.  Maybe American women have unrealistically high expectations of marriage.  Perhaps it’s just too easy to get a divorce.  Maybe it’s an unexpected side-effect of the feminist movement.  I really don't know.  (What do you think?  Take the poll below.)

But regardless of why, how should we address the problem?  Countries with low divorce rates, like Switzerland and Japan, might provide hints. 

Switzerland, despite being a developed, western country, has a divorce rate less than half that of the USA.  One unique aspect of Swiss life is the community pressure to conform that keeps the country running like, well, a Swiss clock.  This pressure dictates all sorts of social behavior, from when you shop (even “convenience” stores are open just one evening a week) to the disapproval expressed if your car is more than three-years old.  There is also disapproval if you divorce.

Japan is also famous for the social pressures to conform.  Historically, one undeniable part of that pressure is for women to marry young and to stay married. 

Now this kind of repressive peer pressure would not “take” in America, whose strength lies in its almost chaotic freedom.  Indeed, it is that freedom that inspires the energetic entrepreneurial engine that supports the American economy. 

As late as the 1960’s, divorce was indeed stigmatized in America.  But divorce was frowned upon even when one spouse was escaping infidelity, alcoholism or abuse.  That kind of negative peer pressure is not the answer.  Society now does not criticize divorce.  But has society gone so far that it cares little if your marriage succeeds?

America needs cheerleaders for marriage, and coaches too.  I believe there is a way to exert positive peer pressure in this one area.

So here’s a proposal.   Committed married couples should befriend and mentor engaged couples.   They should counsel and encourage them before they are married.  They should prepare them for the issues that they will face over their lifetimes.  And most of all, they should encourage a sense of accountability—a sense that someone truly wants their marriage to succeed, is pulling for them, and will be disappointed if they fail.  That’s the kind of positive peer pressure that can help America lose the one championship it never really wanted.

Malcolm B. Stephens is a co-author of the book Knowing Me, Knowing You:  A Multiple-Choice Quiz for Engaged Couples.  This book helps couples to get to know each other’s beliefs, pet peeves and expectations in preparation for married life.


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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: MalcolmS
I think that a significant error is made to associate, on the one hand, the sort of social pressure which restricts divorce and other socially destructive practices, and, on the other hand, the sort of overt social conservativism to which it seemed the author was alluding. In other words, the sort of community where 20% go to church weekly and 70% vote for Al Gore can be far more effective against divorce and illegitimacy than the community where 60% go to church weekly and 40% vote for Al Gore, if the former has higher incomes and better educations than the latter.
42 posted on 05/28/2003 3:36:11 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: MalcolmS
We're about there, Pilgrim. Plymouth Rock, dead ahead.
44 posted on 05/28/2003 3:40:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Hatteras
Women change, it's that simple...in personality and size. I'm single thank God, I've viewed at least 20 best friends get married. In all but one case, the women gained 25-40% body weight within 3 years. The loving personality becomes a distant memory, and men reach their snapping point.

Travel abroad and note the differences. In the last country I visited, I didn't see one overweight woman in a week, and literally had 3 and 4 at a time competing for me. Here you get enough baggage on a date you feel like UHaul. Oh, and you better have front row seats if you expect a phone call returned.

Why do married men die before married women? Because they want to.

46 posted on 05/28/2003 3:43:16 PM PDT by T. Jefferson
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To: ohiopyle
I'm not sure of this -- "fault" laws mainly put more money in the hands of the lawyers. To have a real effect you would have to restore them AND greatly restrict the "mental cruelty" and "constructive abandonment" grounds and proof of the same. The end result would be forcing people to stay married involuntarily -- is this what we want the state to be doing?
47 posted on 05/28/2003 3:46:45 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: Blessed
I agree, I've heard that the repeat offenders make this statistic rather inaccurate. First-time divorces are a lower rate.
48 posted on 05/28/2003 3:47:09 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Hatteras
If your wife see's your post #6, you are dead. LOL. If my x even saw me laughing at this she would probably come back to try and kill me!
50 posted on 05/28/2003 3:58:04 PM PDT by paul51
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To: MalcolmS
Divorce stinks but sometimes can't be avoided.
51 posted on 05/28/2003 3:58:52 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
The dirty little secret of the anti-family left:

The USA has a higher marriage-to-divorce rate
because they have a higher remarriage rate.
The ones who marry over and over (an American oddity) scew the statistics drastically.


The Fact that matters to conservatives:

The stay-married rate for practicing Christians and Jews is 97.3%.

52 posted on 05/28/2003 4:03:48 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Roxymoron
Why is a woman who believes in the radical notion that women are people too, and deserve the same rights and considerations as the other half of the human population, in other words a feminist, automatically considered a lesbian?

I'm sure that idea of "feminism" is not what the poster had in mind when he/she mentioned it as a factor in this country's position as the world's divorce leader. If you look at the organizations that are considered mainsteam "feminist" organizations these days (NOW, for example), you will find that their membership is comprised of a disproportionate number of lesbians.

53 posted on 05/28/2003 4:32:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: MalcolmS
Divorce rates are utterly useless statistics. They usually compare the number marriages against to number of divorces in a single year. But the population of marriages which could potentially end in divorce is obviously going to be much higher than the number of weddings.
54 posted on 05/28/2003 4:49:38 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Iraq was liberated in my name, how about yours?)
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To: T. Jefferson; All
"in personality and size" ... honey, give birth a few timnes and get back to me on that one. Actually, I LOL'ed when I read this because my idiot brother-in-law's first wife was a harpy built like a running back who left him to be a lesbo -- she was many inches taller and had to outweigh him by a good 60 lb. But the second one is built like ... oh, I don't know, Rosie O'Donnell? She is VASTLY larger. So he does seem to be lookin for BIGGIES right off the bat. It does seem, though, that idiots tend to find what they are looking for -- other idiots.
55 posted on 05/28/2003 5:03:57 PM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: Temple Drake
"in personality and size" ... honey, give birth a few times and get back to me on that one.

Funny you say that, the only wife of a best friend who didn't blimp out has 3 kids, she weighs less than when she got married. The secret....she works out 3 days a week. No great mystery.

56 posted on 05/28/2003 5:12:12 PM PDT by T. Jefferson
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To: MalcolmS
After 32 [mostly] blissful years, I can sum my "how to avoid divorce" advice up in three questions.

1. [Before you get married] Do I want to be married or single? If you answer single, or I'm not sure, stay single. Do not proceed to questions 2. or 3.

2. How would divorce and re-marriage to someone else NOT be trading one set of problems for another set?

3. [After you have children] What did my kids do to deserve the heartache their parents' divorce would cause them?

57 posted on 05/28/2003 5:58:44 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
you have given the very best post of all.
58 posted on 05/28/2003 6:08:53 PM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: Temple Drake
you have given the very best post of all.

Here, here! Brandy and cigars for the perceptive, sophisticated gentleman concealing his modesty behind the nom de guerre Temple Drake.

[If you're female, I promise to flagellate myself in the morning.]

59 posted on 05/28/2003 6:35:57 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: ohiopyle
Oh, so because I expect to be treated like a human being and not be automatically submissive to men, that means I have an "arrogant feminist attitude"? The kind of men that would be put off by that are the kind of men I wouldn't be interested in, frankly. And I have indeed had plenty of men express interest in me, the problem is that most of them were married and I don't do things like that; it's wrong and immoral, I don't care how unhappy they may claim to be, or how bad they claim their wife is. The truth is, they're probably unhappy because they expect their wives to meet all of their needs without being concerned about her needs as well. And I'm too exhausted as a single working parent to have much energy for dating, anyway.
60 posted on 05/28/2003 6:58:01 PM PDT by Roxymoron
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