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Why is the USA the World's Divorce Leader? (Poll + FReeper's book on Dr. Laura)
www.knowingme-knowingyou.com ^ | May 28, 2003 | Malcolm B. Stephens

Posted on 05/28/2003 1:23:02 PM PDT by MalcolmS

Imagine that you’ve decided to build a house in a particular area.  You’re willing to invest the money, time and effort to make something that will last a lifetime.  You want to move in and make it your own.  But as you drive through the neighborhood, you notice something is desperately wrong.  Some houses look sound, but many others are sagging—perhaps they are houses divided against themselves.  But most disturbingly, over half of the houses in this vast subdivision have been completely destroyed.  They are collapsed, burnt-out shells that leave the impression of a village in Kosovo after a bout of vicious ethnic cleansing.  You imagine the suffering of those who once lived in those homes, and you wonder, do I really want to move here?

That’s the question faced by Americans when they consider moving to the USA’s 51st state—the state of matrimony.  Do I really want to move here?  It looks like a bad neighborhood.

The US leads G8 Nations in divorce, and is in statistical tie with Sweden for the world’s divorce title.  The US rate is over 25% higher than the number-two contender, Russia.  Strangely, it’s almost 50% higher than Canada, a country with a culture that many others in the world see as almost indistinguishable from that of the USA.

Divorce Rates in G8 Nations (per 100 Marriages)

USA 54.8
Russia 43.4
UK 42.6
Germany 39.4
France 38.3
Canada 37
Italy 10
Japan 1.9

Other Reference Nations

Switerland 25.5
Sweden 54.9

(Source:  www.divorcereform.org)

The economic costs are high.  Statistically, women & children are hardest hit, and often end up struggling to get by.  That’s not to say that divorced men don’t take an economic hit too.  It’s a lose-lose proposition.  Some argue that divorce is a major cause of poverty in America.  That doesn’t count the emotional costs, such as the fact that millions of children grow up without their fathers as a significant presence in their lives.

On the flip side, married men and women are statistically more likely to live longer, happier, healthier and wealthier lives.

Given all this, you have to wonder about America’s future as the impact of a divorce culture generates a cumulative effect on future generations.

It also begs the question, why is the American divorce rate so high?  Some would blame it on America’s cultural center of gravity.  Hollywood is a place where marriages must be measured, like a baby’s age, in months in order for anyone to have a 25th “anniversary”. 

Could it be that American men so much worse than than men around the world?  It’s hard to believe American men are worse than, for example, the French.  Maybe American women have unrealistically high expectations of marriage.  Perhaps it’s just too easy to get a divorce.  Maybe it’s an unexpected side-effect of the feminist movement.  I really don't know.  (What do you think?  Take the poll below.)

But regardless of why, how should we address the problem?  Countries with low divorce rates, like Switzerland and Japan, might provide hints. 

Switzerland, despite being a developed, western country, has a divorce rate less than half that of the USA.  One unique aspect of Swiss life is the community pressure to conform that keeps the country running like, well, a Swiss clock.  This pressure dictates all sorts of social behavior, from when you shop (even “convenience” stores are open just one evening a week) to the disapproval expressed if your car is more than three-years old.  There is also disapproval if you divorce.

Japan is also famous for the social pressures to conform.  Historically, one undeniable part of that pressure is for women to marry young and to stay married. 

Now this kind of repressive peer pressure would not “take” in America, whose strength lies in its almost chaotic freedom.  Indeed, it is that freedom that inspires the energetic entrepreneurial engine that supports the American economy. 

As late as the 1960’s, divorce was indeed stigmatized in America.  But divorce was frowned upon even when one spouse was escaping infidelity, alcoholism or abuse.  That kind of negative peer pressure is not the answer.  Society now does not criticize divorce.  But has society gone so far that it cares little if your marriage succeeds?

America needs cheerleaders for marriage, and coaches too.  I believe there is a way to exert positive peer pressure in this one area.

So here’s a proposal.   Committed married couples should befriend and mentor engaged couples.   They should counsel and encourage them before they are married.  They should prepare them for the issues that they will face over their lifetimes.  And most of all, they should encourage a sense of accountability—a sense that someone truly wants their marriage to succeed, is pulling for them, and will be disappointed if they fail.  That’s the kind of positive peer pressure that can help America lose the one championship it never really wanted.

Malcolm B. Stephens is a co-author of the book Knowing Me, Knowing You:  A Multiple-Choice Quiz for Engaged Couples.  This book helps couples to get to know each other’s beliefs, pet peeves and expectations in preparation for married life.


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This column (to be a weekly feature) is from the website for the book Knowing Me, Knowing You: A Multiple Choice Quiz for Engaged Couples.

This book was featured on Dr. Laura yesterday and has zoomed up in the Amazon rankings. At last check it was ranked no. 79 and gunning for Living History at no. 35.

It was written by a certain FR member's wife, and he helped enough to be graciously granted co-author status (blush).

If you have a minute, please visit the site to answer the poll question (sorry, it's not a live poll), or post your opinion below.

1 posted on 05/28/2003 1:23:03 PM PDT by MalcolmS
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To: MalcolmS
I think getting rid of no-fault divorce, while not the total answer, would certainly significantly lower the divorce rate.
2 posted on 05/28/2003 1:28:59 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: MalcolmS
bump for later read
3 posted on 05/28/2003 1:29:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: MalcolmS
thanks for the post. Not sure if any of the proposals outlined here will help. I wasted several hours this weekend watching a slow-motion trainwreck beginning: my divorced brother-in-law "married" a woman who has already notched up TWO previous divorces .... His parents(my -inlaws) have been married 43 years; his big brother & I married 20. So none of this happened for lack of successful examples. Six children by three fathers are being manipulated in this situation and I cannot foresee it getting better with time.
4 posted on 05/28/2003 1:32:23 PM PDT by Temple Drake ("till death do us part -- REALLY, I MEAN it this time!")
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To: MalcolmS
I'm not sure that the numbers posted here mean all that much on their own. Divorce statistics among different nations should first be adjusted to account for variations in co-habitation without ever getting married. The U.S. may simply have a high divorce rate because more people are getting married who might otherwise have been cohabitating in other countries.
5 posted on 05/28/2003 1:32:31 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: MalcolmS
The poll left out some other possible reasons for divorce.

1. You accidently married a shrew
2. She jumped from 120 to 230lbs in less than a year and won't get off her @$$ to do anything about it.
3. She asks your opinions but does whatever the hell she wants anyway.
4. She invites her liberal democrat mom over to stay for weeks at a time
5. Everytime you leave the house to go to Home Depot she snidely asks, "Going to see your girlfriend again?"

Uh, at least that's what I've heard can happen...

6 posted on 05/28/2003 1:40:54 PM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: MalcolmS
Committed married couples should befriend and mentor engaged couples. They should counsel and encourage them before they are married

Are you sure this wasn't Dr. Laura herself that wrote this ?

IMHO the ball is in the engaged couples court, if they fear a possible failure in their future life together and wish to avoid it, it is them that should actively seek advice and guidance.

Most people do not want unsolicited advice and will resist and or resent it.
7 posted on 05/28/2003 1:42:47 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm not sure that the numbers posted here mean all that much on their own. Divorce statistics among different nations should first be adjusted to account for variations in co-habitation without ever getting married. The U.S. may simply have a high divorce rate because more people are getting married who might otherwise have been cohabitating in other countries.

That's true. Basically the statistics are reported as divorces per 1000 people or divorces per 100 marriages. I thought the per 100 marriages gave a better idea of one's chances for success. As far as I can tell, few if any countries capture statistics for living-together followed by break up rates for cohabitators. (ie. they may capture cohabitation rates, but not breakups.)

Sweden is quite badly off however. They have many people living together, relatively few marriages, and still a high divorce rate.

The Marriage Project at Rutgers reports that a pattern of cohabitation significantly reduces your chances for sucess in maintaining a marriage.

Click Here

8 posted on 05/28/2003 1:42:57 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: MalcolmS
Well of course there are many reasons for this situation including the sexual revolution and yuppie narcissism. But one of the main reasons is that corrupt lawyers have taken over the divorce courts and take turns acting as judges and as divorce lawyers--and also as the legislators who put the no-fault divorce laws in place.

There's big money in divorce--for the lawyers. No fault divorce is very good for business.

There was an excellent article on this subject in Crisis Magazine last fall. In fact, I think I'll post it here in the forum. Meanwhile, here's a link:

http://www.crisismagazine.com/november2002/feature2.htm
9 posted on 05/28/2003 1:43:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MalcolmS
What are the stats if we exclude Liz Taylor and Larry King?
10 posted on 05/28/2003 1:44:33 PM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: MalcolmS
Why is the USA the World's Divorce Leader? (Poll + FReeper's book on Dr. Laura)

AFFLUENCE

11 posted on 05/28/2003 1:45:43 PM PDT by Helms (Dems Find Smoking Gun: 45-55 Loss in Senate, Bush Wins 2nd Term)
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To: MalcolmS
"why is the American divorce rate so high? "

The answer is quite simple. American feminists.
12 posted on 05/28/2003 1:49:35 PM PDT by week 71
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To: HEY4QDEMS
>>Are you sure this wasn't Dr. Laura herself that wrote this ? <<

Yeah...I'm pretty sure.

>>IMHO the ball is in the engaged couples court, if they fear a possible failure in their future life together and wish to avoid it, it is them that should actively seek advice and guidance.<<

Well that's kind of the point of the article. They should fear possible failure. It's a very real possibility.

And many couples are worried, and open to well considered mentoring. If not, that is their choice.
13 posted on 05/28/2003 1:50:24 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: Helms
Specifically, the affluence of women being significantly greater after they sue their husbands for every penny they ever made... perhaps if there was a degree of equity in the law, there wouldn't be such a strong incentive for a woman to screw over her husband and family.
14 posted on 05/28/2003 1:52:06 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("There are no liars in our newsroom! Never!" - New York Times Bob)
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To: Hatteras
>>The poll left out some other possible reasons for divorce.

LOL

Hey, there's only so much room on the Internet.
15 posted on 05/28/2003 1:52:09 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: MalcolmS
Why is the USA the World's Divorce Leader?

Because we can afford to be.
Divorce is facilitated by afluance.
If others could afford it, they would.

So9

16 posted on 05/28/2003 1:53:23 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Cicero
>>There was an excellent article on this subject in Crisis Magazine last fall. In fact, I think I'll post it here in the forum. Meanwhile, here's a link:

http://www.crisismagazine.com/november2002/feature2.htm

Interesting article. I wonder how the system compares between the USA and other countries?
17 posted on 05/28/2003 1:54:51 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Thank God we've protected the sanctity of marriage from those evil homosexuals!
18 posted on 05/28/2003 1:55:53 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: MalcolmS
I question the author's conclusions, at least by looking at comparative divorce statistics within the United States.

These statistics show no evidence that social conservatism, as generally understood, reduces divorce rates. Rather, the very strong correllation is to education and economic status.

Percentage of weekly churchgoers, views on abortion and other "social issue" touchstones, etc., tend to correllate positively with the WORST divorce rates, whereas places like Connecticut and New Jersey, which score very poorly on the social issue measures, have much lower divorce rates.

This makes perfect sense to me. The catalyst to many divorces are money problems or substance abuse -- which are going to effect those of lesser education or status with far greater frequency. The thing that keeps many unhappy couples together is the way that divorce can simply ruin a middle class family financially -- losing a house or the ability to have a nice vacation to Europe each year simply doesn't figure to a family that lives in a rented 2-bedroom apartment.
19 posted on 05/28/2003 1:55:55 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: week 71
The answer is quite simple. American feminists.

I don't think that's the answer. Most of them are lesbians anyway.

But I do think the answer is quite simple -- Jerry Springer.

LOL.

20 posted on 05/28/2003 2:01:06 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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