Man Dying of Child Support Enforcement

Mens News Daily ^ | May 30, 2003 | Roger F. Gay

[sourcery]

Dr. Chang's web site

[ChemistCat]

This tactic has always struck me as being extraordinarily immature. If you don't want to support them, don't make them!

"Lower than manhood are these: To rut with a woman when he already has a wife, and to abandon the children of his body." --Orson Scott Card

[netmilsmom]

I just wrote this on another thread.....
On News/Activism 05/31/2003 10:38 AM PDT #24 of 25

I hear the girls who get pregnant get that way from men in their early twenties.
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And you know, this is just another sticking point with me. People need to choose carefully who we marry. If a man is boring or mean before you married him, he is going to be after as well. So many women my age, (late 30's early 40's) ditch these men, rape them for child support and go on to a happy little life while the kids have to kiss daddy goodbye.
Girls with good daddies have less of a chance of teen sex than those that don't. Stupid women, look at who you are marrying. If you don't like him before the wedding, you'll hate him in 5 years. No one changes, you didn't. If you find yourself in a boring marriage, wait until your daughter is out of school then divorce. I understand if your hubby is beating you but if he was a player before, he'll be a player later. Understand that once you have given birth to those children, you are in it for the long haul. You may be divorcing a man you no longer like, but those kids love him. No other man will take his place.
/rant off/
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Yes, this man made two babies in two different marriages but anymore I see more women throwing away their husbands. Too boring, too cheap, spends too much money, whatever. They can do this because they can get child support sooo easily.
There are deadbeat dads but there are deadbeat moms to. We rarely hear about them.
People please THINK before you procreate.
/rant off again?

[sourcery]

Fathering a child certainly creates a responsibility--but morally speaking, it is not not unlimited. The issue here is whether or not the amount of support set by the system is reasonable--and whether or not it remains so as things change.

No one forces a father to provide some fixed-dollar level of support to his children while he remains with the mother. But fathers who lose custody of their children (regardless of fault or reason) are told by the system how many dollars per month they must provide. The evidence that the amounts set by the system is in many cases far beyond reason is quite compelling. The situation as it exists makes fathering children a rather risky proposition.

[Go Gordon]

If you don't want to support them, don't make them!

Hey Einstein, it had nothing to do with not wanting to support the child. It had to do with the fundamental fairness and equity. The current system is inherently flawed. Fathers are forced to do things monetarily after divorce, that they aren't required to do while still married. You call that fair? Well, maybe if you live in North Korea or China, but not in the USA.

For example, a married father still living in the house has a choice whether or not to help contribute to, or pay in full, college tuition. However, once booted out of the house, the courts MANDATE the father pay a huge amount for tuition.

[Go Gordon]

If you find yourself in a boring marriage, wait until your daughter is out of school then divorce.

Good advice mom. Also, for you guys out there, a couple years BEFORE you divorce move to a state that doesn't have alimony. Viva NJ!

[ChemistCat]

Then pick your bride carefully, and stay married to her.

Time after time in this society, people hold big heavy buckets of liquid manure over their heads and pour it out on top of themselves, and then whine that gravity did it to them.

[MeekMom]

Where's the "Bite Me" Alert?
slackers!
Any man; and I use the term gingerly, who will consent to making a precious child but refuses to care for the child properly; that includes having to be ordered to care, does not deserve a days rest. If their conscience is so seared that they have to be told to care for their own flesh and blood then I see no redeeming qualities in such a "man".

[Little Bill]

What happens when the woman is assessed child support and falls in arrears, Nada. My EX was number 7, on the dead beat parents list in Mass, and walked.

[StatesEnemy]

. If you don't want to support them, don't make them!

What a simplistic mindset. You do know that non-custodial 'Moms' are about 5 times more likely to be deadbeats than non-custodial 'Dads'.

Family Law needs an overhaul.

[Ben Chad]

pick your bride carefully

Good advice - a year or two of high school should be dedicated to choosing wisely.

[ChemistCat]

These things were once more complicated for me. I could see multiple sides to problems like this. Then I held my son for the first time, and watched my husband hold his son for the first time. It all became much clearer: I would do ANYTHING to give my child the best chance at a happy, moral, successful life.

So now it's simple. If you make a baby, you do whatever it takes to raise that baby, all the way through. The best way to do that is in a stable marriage. If you aren't willing to make the effort it takes to have a stable marriage, don't have kids.

That goes for both sexes. No success in other areas of life matter if your kids are bent by your selfish choices. There ARE no excuses for failure in the home.

Any more ad hominem arguments? Bring them on.

[Vigilanteman]

The situation as it exists makes fathering children a rather risky proposition.

Well, that's the idea. We don't need responsible breeders when we can get our sexual gratification from casual rolls in the hay or that wonderful policically correct gay lifestyle.

And when there are hordes of third worlders just waiting for their chance to immigrate to this country, we don't need to replace native populations either. </ sarcasm>

[ChemistCat]

An article this badly written does not deserve more than a skim.

I finally gleaned that he was engaging in a hunger strike to protest having to support his daughter, whom he had abandoned. A court ordered him to support her. Had he not left her, the court would never have gotten involved.

It's very much like asking a polar bear to help you divide a seal. Stay married, and the court doesn't get into it.

[marktwain]

Any man; and I use the term gingerly, who will consent to making a precious child but refuses to care for the child properly; that includes having to be ordered to care, does not deserve a days rest. If their conscience is so seared that they have to be told to care for their own flesh and blood then I see no redeeming qualities in such a "man".

You didn't read the article either, did you? This has nothing to do with his paying child support. All the support was paid.

[marktwain]

Family Law needs an overhaul.Big time. The "system" has developed into another politcally correct witch hunt. There is no "due process" . There is no equal protection.

[chiromommy]

Amen, sister!
They can't even understand that they should keep their boys to themselves if they can't deal with the consequences??? Please. Payment or nonpayment, custody or visitation, does not a Dad make. Fathers are a dime a dozen. Dads, however, are a precious commodity! If you have to be legislated and bullied into doing the right thing, the poor kids shouldn't have to give you the time of day!! They are nothing but DNA donors and don't deserve the love of a child...

[cardinal4]

If their conscience is so seared that they have to be told to care for their own flesh and blood then I see no redeeming qualities in such a "man".

So if I am unable to make my payments because of brain injury, Im a slacker?

[HiTech RedNeck]

The assault on a man's life typically begins with a mother who decides to "liberate" herself from marriage, simply dealing a father out of his own personal and family life. The process is exceptionally easy. The government has been dedicated to helping women "liberate" themselves from marriage for decades.

This appears to imply that she walked out on him for no good reason, took the kids, and socked him with the child support. If this was so, it's true the article ought to say so directly. But an outrage is an outrage no matter how horrid the prose.