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HSD official obtained Ph.D. from diploma mill
Washington Technology ^ | 05/30/03 | By Patience Wait and Wilson P. Dizard III

Posted on 06/02/2003 3:45:48 AM PDT by decimon

HSD official obtained Ph.D. from diploma mill

By Patience Wait and Wilson P. Dizard III Post Newsweek Tech Media

A high-ranking career official in the Homeland Security Department apparently obtained her doctorate from a Wyoming diploma mill.

Laura L. Callahan, now senior director in the office of department CIO Steven Cooper, states on her professional biography that she “holds a Ph.D. in Computer Information Systems from Hamilton University.” Callahan, who is also president of the Association for Federal IRM and a member of the CIO Council, is commonly called by the title “Dr.”

Callahan’s resume says she began her civil service career in 1984. Before joining HSD, she was deputy CIO at the Labor Department.

Hamilton University, according to an Internet search, is located in Evanston, Wyo. It is affiliated with and supported by Faith in the Order of Nature Fellowship Church, also in Evanston. The state of Wyoming does not license Hamilton because it claims a religious exemption. Oregon has identified Hamilton University as a diploma mill unaccredited by any organization recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

Callahan, at post time, could not be reached for comment after repeated calls to her office. Michelle Petrovich, a department spokeswoman, said late Friday afternoon, “We have no reason at this time not to believe Laura Callahan’s credentials, and we will look into the matter.”

Diploma mills and their potential for fraud were the subject of an inquiry by the General Accounting Office at the request of Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who now chairs the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee. In a November 2002 report, GAO described how it purchased bachelor’s and master’s degrees in Collins’ name from Degrees-R-Us of Las Vegas. It referred the matter to the Federal Trade Commission.

Andrew O’Connell of GAO’s Office of Special Investigations, said of any government employee who purchases a fake diploma, “There’s no doubt in our mind that it’s a scam on the government.”

A search of accredited institutions turned up four colleges and universities with the name Hamilton, in addition to Hamilton University: Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y.; Hamilton College in Cedar Rapids, Iowa; Hamilton Technical College in Davenport, Iowa; and Suwannee-Hamilton Technical Center in Live Oak, Fla. None of the four awards doctoral degrees.

In its printed materials, Hamilton University lists the National Park Service among organizations that employ its degree-holders, or that reimbursed employees who obtained Hamilton degrees.

Hamilton’s material said it provides degrees to individuals who state that their life and work experiences give them qualifications comparable to those of persons who complete academic courses and theses or dissertations to obtain degrees. The bulk of communications between Hamilton and its customers is via e-mails, faxes and postal mail. Calls to Hamilton go to a voice-mail system.

“They bought an old motel and took it apart and furnished it with stucco. It’s very nice,” said Connie Morris, executive assistant at the Evanston, Wyo., Chamber of Commerce. “They are members of the Chamber. They have two or three employees.”

The Oregon Office of Degree Authorization quotes Webster’s Third New International Dictionary on the definition of a diploma mill: An institution of higher education operating without supervision of a state or professional agency and granting diplomas which are either fraudulent or because of the lack of proper standards worthless.

According to a spokesman for the Office of Personnel Management, the penalties for providing false or misleading information, including submitting false academic credentials, include termination or other serious disciplinary actions.

“There is no regulation that addresses diploma mills. You are talking about falsification of academic credentials,” the OPM spokesman said.

Lawrence Lorber, a partner with the Washington law firm Proskauer Rose LLP who specializes in labor and employment law, spoke with a reporter about circumstances matching Callahan’s claim to a Ph.D., though he specifically asked not to be told of the person or federal departments involved.

“There is something called resume fraud, which this would be considered,” Lorber said. “It’s what it sounds like—not the embellishment, but a fraudulent addition that indicates a job or degree.”

It is the accreditation of the program—or lack thereof—that becomes important, Lorber said. “By listing it [on your resume] you are creating the presumption that it’s from an accredited, recognized institution.”

Hamilton University’s enrollment application and enrollment invitation spell out the simple requirements for students who wish to obtain a Ph.D.:

* $3,600, payable up front by bank draft or personal check only. Hamilton does not accept credit cards.

* Completing one course at home on “personal, business and professional ethics.” Hamilton provides the course workbook, and the student must complete the open-book examination that is included. The school’s materials state the course and test require an average of five to eight hours to complete.

* Writing one paper relevant to the area in which the Ph.D. is being sought. The minimum length for the paper is 2,000 words, or roughly four pages, and will “be referred to as a dissertation,” the materials say.

In return, Hamilton promises to deliver “an official diploma in a leather bound holder… of the highest possible quality and carry[ing] the official raised seal of the university.” The organization promises that the “diplomas granted by Hamilton University do not reflect how the degree requirements were met (traditionally or externally).”

Because prospective employers often want to verify a candidate’s education, Hamilton also promises to provide verification of degrees, once the person provides authorization to release the information.

In this case, for instance, when asked via e-mail to verify Callahan’s Ph.D., the registrar’s office of Hamilton University replied, “All requests for degree verification must be made in writing and must be accompanied by an authorization signed by the graduate.”

But Hamilton promises that when it provides transcripts, they will look like real transcripts, even providing numbers, titles and grades for courses the student did not take, because their requirement was waived due to life or work experience. The transcripts will not say the courses were waived, and the grade average shown for an entire transcript will be based on the grades for the at-home test and the dissertation.

A person identifying himself as Dr. R.G. Marn, faculty adviser, said the institution’s privacy policies prevented it from releasing records. He declined to comment on whether Hamilton University is a diploma mill.

(Posted May 30, 2003 - 5:50 p.m. Updated May 31, 11:20 a.m.)


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1 posted on 06/02/2003 3:45:48 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
As as ordained minister, this sort of thing really burns my ass.
3 posted on 06/02/2003 3:56:44 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites
Universal Life Church?
5 posted on 06/02/2003 4:14:21 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: billorites
As as ordained minister, this sort of thing really burns my ass.

I share your pain, My Child.

Decades ago, a person who worked for me, who considered me a Nice Guy, spent $75 on a birthday present for me.

It was a certificate informing me I was ordained an Archbishop in the Universal Life Church.

Never thought of putting it on a resume`, though.

Everyone thought it was a real hoot. So, what's the honorific for an Archbishop? I just want to know how I should sign these posts.

"The Right Reverend, Gorzaloon, His Grace"?

6 posted on 06/02/2003 4:31:39 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: billorites
As as ordained minister, this sort of thing really burns my ass.

Posts likes yours are one of the reasons I read FR. Who says conservatives don't have a sense of humor?

7 posted on 06/02/2003 4:50:42 AM PDT by TankerKC (Take the time it takes, so it takes less time.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Your Grace, do you know of a Mill I could go to that would officially certify me as a Plenipotentiary Lord High Exterminator or a Maximum Thunder Stud? I mean, Ph.D.s are so ordinary.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

8 posted on 06/02/2003 4:50:59 AM PDT by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: decimon
By Patience Wait and Wilson P. Dizard III Post Newsweek Tech Media

Patience Wait? No way.

9 posted on 06/02/2003 4:51:54 AM PDT by TankerKC (Take the time it takes, so it takes less time.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Hey, you got one up on ol' Algore. He flunked out of divinity school, and didn't have the smarts to buy a degree.
10 posted on 06/02/2003 4:54:30 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (A bad day FReepin' beats a good day workin'.)
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To: TankerKC
Patience Wait? No way.

An interesting name but the story seems true.

"Dr. Callahan is a member of the Chief Information Officer’s (CIO) Council, the Executive Council, and Co-Chair for of the CIO Council’s Committee on Security, Privacy, and Critical Infrastructure ProtectionWorkforce and Human Capital for IT Committee. She is a member of the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association and the National Security Telecommunications and Information Systems Security Committee. She is a published author on the subject of computer science and has received over 45 various awards and forms of recognition for her contributions as a civil servant. Dr. Callahan has Bachelor of Science and Master of Science in Computer Science, and holds a Ph.D. in Computer Information Systems from Hamilton University."

Callahan Bio

11 posted on 06/02/2003 5:18:22 AM PDT by decimon
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To: billorites
As as ordained minister, this sort of thing really burns my ass.

But not as much as the flaming aholes at IRS. :-)

12 posted on 06/02/2003 5:21:31 AM PDT by decimon
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To: jodenkoekje
Geezums. I always thought people just buy those things to hang in their cubicles as a joke. I didn't know anyone would actually be stupid enough to list one of those toy degrees on their resume.

Stupid if you're high profile like Callahan. Otherwise I believe it all too often works.

13 posted on 06/02/2003 5:24:25 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
When I saw the headline on this I first thought that you may be posting about Houston Independent School District (HISD). The HISD is full of administrators, and probably teachers and principals, who have diploma mill advanced degrees. The HISD refuses to give out any information as to where the degrees were obtained. Some local news agencies have found many were not from accredited colleges. Pay and promotion depends on these degrees so the taxpayers are just being scammed again.
14 posted on 06/02/2003 5:26:11 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: FreePaul
When I saw the headline on this I first thought that you may be posting about Houston Independent School District (HISD). The HISD is full of administrators, and probably teachers and principals, who have diploma mill advanced degrees.

A national and international scandal in the making, IMO. Think the guy in the next cubicle really graduated college? It's likely that no one has checked so who knows?

15 posted on 06/02/2003 5:36:31 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Accreditation is everything. It doesn't take much effort (some, but not much) to check out whether or not a school is accredited by a reputable accrediting body. Evidently the folks at Homeland Security didn't want to take the time to check. Makes me feel really secure. Whoever dropped the ball at Homeland Security in checking the credentials of their employees is as much to blame as Callahan for trying to pull a fast one.
16 posted on 06/02/2003 5:44:50 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
Whoever dropped the ball at Homeland Security in checking the credentials of their employees is as much to blame as Callahan for trying to pull a fast one.

My guess is that the credentials were "established" at past FedGov agencies and carried over without question. Both the bogus degree and the carrying over could be common. How would we know?

17 posted on 06/02/2003 5:50:28 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
I once came into a shop that had just gone through a scandal like this. There was a worker who claimed to have a BS and MS, though no one ever checked his records. He also claimed to be involved in several civic organizations and that he had been named one of the Jaycees Top Ten Young Men in America (or some similar title). There was a bag full of different honors and titles that he claimed.

The funny thing was that he never did well on his promotion tests. Well, the Air Force has a program called Stripes for Exceptional Performers (STEP). A sensible person would ask why, if he had an advanced degree, he couldn’t take his promotion test and EARN a stripe, but I guess no one asked. Long story short….he got a STEP promotion to E-6, then the lies fell in on him. He got a trip to E-1 and room and board for the next six years.

The folks that listened to his BS and never checked it should have been reprimanded, too.

18 posted on 06/02/2003 5:52:01 AM PDT by TankerKC (Take the time it takes, so it takes less time.)
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To: TankerKC
The folks that listened to his BS and never checked it should have been reprimanded, too.

BS goes a long way in the private sector as well. And it shows in businesses that falter.

From what I've read, the checking of claimed credentials is growing but not all that common.

19 posted on 06/02/2003 6:02:14 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Do we have a picture of this individual? Is this another case of affirmative action.
20 posted on 06/02/2003 6:19:43 AM PDT by BIGZ
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To: jodenkoekje
I didn't know anyone would actually be stupid enough to list one of those toy degrees on their resume.

NASA is famous for having scientists and engineers with false degrees. Many of them were Nazis brought to the US after the war. They were brilliant scientists but lacked educational credentials.
21 posted on 06/02/2003 6:32:42 AM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: decimon
By Patience Wait and Wilson P. Dizard III

Has anyone else notice how funny these names are? I mean really, Patience Wait?
22 posted on 06/02/2003 6:35:09 AM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: BIGZ
Do we have a picture of this individual? Is this another case of affirmative action.

Well, they probably all look the same so here's Laura Callahan, the Massage Therapist:


23 posted on 06/02/2003 6:48:33 AM PDT by decimon
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To: fporretto
I am the Pharisee of Kaborka. The Tyronosaurus of your Rex...
24 posted on 06/02/2003 6:56:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: BIGZ
White House officials acknowledge e-mail glitch secrecy, say no threats were made

Laura Callahan

Snip…Callahan said she became alarmed when, shortly after the problem was discovered, Northrop Grumman employee Betty Lambuth, a manager on the project who no longer works at the White House, came to her with an e-mail exchange between former intern Monica Lewinsky and another woman, Ashley Raines. …snip

Is this the same Callahan?

25 posted on 06/02/2003 7:15:43 AM PDT by TankerKC (Take the time it takes, so it takes less time.)
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To: decimon
Laura L. Callahan was appointed as the Department of Labor’s Deputy Chief Information Officer (CIO) in November 1999

Another Clinton parolee.

26 posted on 06/02/2003 7:20:12 AM PDT by hgro
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To: hgro
Interesting quotes from Callahan

It will be a good tool because it augments traditional methods. We can bridge some of the geographic barriers through electronic learning and reach a wider student base than through traditional classroom methods.

Training is not one-size-fits-all because we all learn differently. We have to work with the employees to understand what their career goals are and how they learn in order to achieve the knowledge they need to progress in their career paths. That method of training will vary from person to person.

…and some can just buy a piece of paper.

27 posted on 06/02/2003 7:37:15 AM PDT by TankerKC (Take the time it takes, so it takes less time.)
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To: decimon
If she wanted a PhD, all she had to do was get one in "education". It still is an extortion for money, but they are REAL easy to obtain. I don't have one, but I know people who do, including my brother, and he is a nitwit.
28 posted on 06/02/2003 7:55:03 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
...including my brother, and he is a nitwit.

Redundancy. :-)

29 posted on 06/02/2003 10:02:09 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Laura L. Callahan, Ph.D.

Dr. Callahan is a member of the Chief Information Officer’s (CIO) Council, the Executive Council, and Co-Chair for of the CIO Council’s Committee on Security, Privacy, and Critical Infrastructure ProtectionWorkforce and Human Capital for IT Committee. She is a member of the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association and the National Security Telecommunications and Information Systems Security Committee. She is a published author on the subject of computer science and has received over 45 various awards and forms of recognition for her contributions as a civil servant. Dr. Callahan has Bachelor of Science and Master of Science in Computer Science, and holds a Ph.D. in Computer Information Systems from Hamilton University.

CNN story - part of the Clinton "conveniently missing e-mail" scandal.

White House officials acknowledge e-mail glitch secrecy, say no threats were made

Justice Department opens criminal investigation

By Amy Paulson/CNN

March 23, 2000

Web posted at: 7:17 p.m. EST (2417 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- White House officials acknowledged Thursday they asked contract staffers not to discuss computer problems that caused thousands of e-mail messages to escape the reach of a congressional subpoena, but rejected claims that those staffers had been threatened.

The statements came Thursday afternoon at a House Government Reform Committee hearing on the controversy. Earlier in the day, three Northrop Grumman contract employees, charged with operating the e-mail system, said White House officials Mark Lindsay and Laura Callahan had threatened to have them jailed if the problem was disclosed -- claims the two officials vehemently denied.

All of the contract employees who testified before the panel on Thursday said the problem was technical in nature, but the White House nonetheless wanted to keep it secret.

"It's not something that I did. It's not something that I condone and it's not something that I would ever permit if it came to my knowledge," said Lindsay, an assistant to the president and director of White House management and administration, of the claimed threats.

The problem in the automated record management system, known as ARMS, resulted in the improper scanning, logging and archiving of incoming, external e-mails to nearly 500 White House personnel -- many of them high-ranking.

House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton

Those e-mails -- said to number in the thousands -- subsequently were not handed over in response to subpoenas by Congress, the Office of Independent Counsel or the Justice Department.

Lindsay, along with Laura Callahan -- a career civil servant who at the time the problem surfaced served as the White House webmaster -- testified before the panel that they were simply following standard White House operating procedures when they instructed the Northrop Grumman team to remain quiet on the issue while the problem was diagnosed and repaired.

When asked why some on the team -- including Robert Haas, a systems administrator who has since filed a lawsuit in the matter -- recalled having been threatened during a meeting on the issue, Callahan said: "He may be either having a bad recollection or having an overactive imagination with regard to having the threat being made to him."

At the time the e-mail problem was discovered, June 1998, Lindsay was responsible for ensuring the White House operating systems were Y2K compliant.

"I did say that this was a matter that needed to be kept in bounds with those people who needed the information to repair the system," he added, noting that he didn't want to hear of any "water cooler talk" while the White House was under investigation for several matters, including alleged campaign finance improprieties and the Monica Lewinsky affair.

The problem was one of many with the e-mail system and initially was not given priority because of the Y2K compliance testing, he said.

Laura Callahan

Callahan said she became alarmed when, shortly after the problem was discovered, Northrop Grumman employee Betty Lambuth, a manager on the project who no longer works at the White House, came to her with an e-mail exchange between former intern Monica Lewinsky and another woman, Ashley Raines.

"I was very concerned why all of a sudden we had a specific e-mail being brought to my attention when we hadn't even determined the size and scope of the problem," Callahan said. Lambuth said that the e-mail had been found by Haas, the Northrop Grumman systems administrator who later filed the lawsuit. At the time, the team was in a "diagnostic mode," Callahan said.

"Whether e-mails were lost or not was a technical conclusion that had not been reached yet. What I asked be done was to conduct an investigation to determine the nature of the problem," Lindsay said.

As a result, it was decided a team meeting should be held to walk through the White House standard operating procedures. "There were already people in the hallway starting to discuss this," said Callahan. "And Mr. Lindsay said we needed to be careful because it was sensitive."

Congressional Republicans, Justice Department on alert "The big deal is not that a computer technician made a mistake," said House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton (R-Indiana) earlier in the hearing. "The big deal is how the White House reacted to it."

Although Burton alleged the Justice Department has remained uninterested in the matter, CNN learned from law enforcement sources Thursday that the department's Campaign Finance Task Force is conducting a criminal investigation into the controversy.

Betty Lambuth

The technical problem was not made public until last month, when Haas accused White House staff of a coverup in a lawsuit filed by the conservative legal group Judicial Watch.

As part of that lawsuit and a subsequent investigation by Burton's committee, Haas claimed he had been threatened with jail if he revealed the existence of the problem. "I was told there would be a jail cell with my name on it," he said.

"I was told by a couple of different people that we were not to talk to anyone," said Lambuth.

"We were not to talk to our spouses other than those of us who already knew about this particular project. They did tell me that if any of us did talk about this that my staff would be fired, would be arrested and would go to jail," she said.

Some of them felt so threatened by their initial meeting with Callahan and Lindsay that they requested legal counsel, according to Steven Hawkins, the Northrop Grumman program manager.

The technical problem was to be kept so secret that it came to be known as "Project X," and the team, led by Lambuth, held a series of furtive technical meetings at a nearby Starbucks coffee house and Lafayette Park, across the street from the White House, to keep the issue confidential.

Lambuth, who was taken off the project in July 1998, has provided an affidavit to Burton's committee that states some of the e-mails contained information regarding various matters under investigation either by Congress or the Justice Department, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation background files controversy, Lewinsky, trade mission information and campaign finance matters.

But Haas said that while he was instructed to conduct a search for e-mails by or about Lewinsky in June 1998, he had not seen e-mails on any other issue. "I found that and I've done no other searches," he said.

The White House has turned over more than 7,000 pieces of e-mail in response to subpoenas in those matters. And most of those who testified Thursday said they did not believe the problem was actually caused by the White House, nor did the White House tell them to destroy any e-mails.

Rep. Henry Waxman

"We didn't know enough about what was going on to be able to say that the White House was obstructing anything," said John Spriggs, a Northrop Grumman senior engineer for electronic mail.

During a lengthy question-and-answer session, the technical team was asked to estimate the number of e-mails that may have been missed in subpoena requests, and whether White House staff could have deleted e-mails before they could be scanned into the archival system.

"We should do our best to clarify the facts," said Rep. Henry Waxman (D-California), the ranking Democrat on the committee. "We have already learned that no one in the Clinton Administration suggested that e-mails be excluded from the ARMS system.

"It's pretty clear that if we didn't find out about this problem independently we were never going to be told by the White House," Burton said.

In a letter to Burton, White House Counsel Beth Nolan said the e-mails exist on computer back up tapes, but that it would cost between $1 million and $3 million and take as long as two years to recover the lost documents, which could total over 100,000 in number.

Meanwhile, in a legal filing in the Judicial Watch lawsuit, the Justice Department said Thursday, "as a result of these allegations, the (campaign finance) task force has begun an investigation into whether subpoenas issued to (the Executive Office of the President) by the task force were fully complied with, and whether persons were threatened with retaliation in order to prevent the existence of the affected e-mails from becoming known to the task force."

White House officials say Justice Department officials have asked about the matter, but could not confirm they had been formally notified of a criminal investigation. The White House says the contents of the e-mails are not known.

30 posted on 06/02/2003 10:04:40 AM PDT by moyden2000
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To: decimon
Sometimes.
31 posted on 06/02/2003 10:47:58 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: decimon
Are all of her degrees from Hamilton? It doesn't read that way here, but other articles I've read sound like all degrees came from Hamilton.
32 posted on 06/02/2003 10:57:45 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Gorzaloon
I am going to get a "Doc" of Global Warming and become an EINO consultant.


Do, we minsters of the Universal Life Church, have a secret sign and handshake?
33 posted on 06/02/2003 10:59:43 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: moyden2000
Earlier in the day, three Northrop Grumman contract employees, charged with operating the e-mail system, said White House officials Mark Lindsay and Laura Callahan had threatened to have them jailed if the problem was disclosed -- claims the two officials vehemently denied.

I knew I had seen her name somewhere before...... great catch!

Somebody needs to forward this to Drudge.

34 posted on 06/02/2003 11:21:31 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: decimon
I can't believe some people actually answer to those annoying e-mails and buy a PhD from an unknown source.
35 posted on 06/02/2003 11:24:59 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe
I had a boss once who had one of the phony Law degrees from one of these con artists.

He was universally hated by the staff not me though since he never gave me a problem I didn't care that he was a bullying blowhard.
36 posted on 06/02/2003 11:35:51 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: decimon
Didn't I read not to long ago about HS having an EX-KGB higher-up on the Payroll too?
37 posted on 06/02/2003 11:42:17 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: cincinnati65
I can't now find where I originally saw this story but I believe the BS and MS were from RA schools.
38 posted on 06/02/2003 11:44:21 AM PDT by decimon
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To: moyden2000
If those threats were made then the threators(sic) should swing. But to be honest, I never know what to make of these finger-pointing snafus.
39 posted on 06/02/2003 11:51:37 AM PDT by decimon
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To: OXENinFLA
Didn't I read not to long ago about HS having an EX-KGB higher-up on the Payroll too?

I believe there was a thread on that but don't recall if the claim was verified.

40 posted on 06/02/2003 11:53:46 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Gorzaloon
"So, what's the honorific for an Archbishop?"

Forget the honorific. What's the honorarium?

41 posted on 06/02/2003 11:56:57 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: decimon
http://www.google.com/custom?q=Homeland+security+KGB&cof=LW%3A227%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.refdesk.com%2Fnewlogo.gif%3BLH%3A89%3BAH%3Acenter%3BGL%3A0%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.refdesk.com%3BAWFID%3A819b79daf1a03264%3B

Sounds a bit fishy, but I wouldn't put it past Ashcroft.
42 posted on 06/02/2003 12:16:21 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: decimon
And to think this whole last years with it's 1000's of pages of notes and difficult exams . . . I've been taking the hard road. For $3600, and open book exam, and a four page paper, I could have gotten my PhD
43 posted on 06/02/2003 12:34:18 PM PDT by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: decimon
Here's the disclaimer from Degrees-R-Us:

Diplomas and transcripts are for framing & display only

These college diplomas are being distributed to boost your confidence and esteem. By ordering a diploma or transcripts, you are certifying that you will not misuse the diploma, the listing in the Universities records or any other improper use. The Inter-Collegiate Joint Committee on Academic Standards and the accrediting agencies listed on the transcript forms are controlled by College Services Corp.

The entire website is a howler.
44 posted on 06/02/2003 12:42:08 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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To: decimon
diplomas which are either fraudulent or
because of the lack of proper standards worthless.


Well, I wouldn't say worthless.  It got Laura L. Callahan
 a highly placed and paid government job, dinnit?  That brings
up a question of pragmatism.  If someone is doing a sufficiently
adequate job such that, had it not been for someone else pointing
out his education is suspect, he would still be doing the job,
what can be said about the requisite education in the job requirement?

Are highly educated people no better in government jobs than
someone without the education?  Is it really necessary for teachers
to have expensive masters degrees before they can go on and
teach?  And is the low salary about which teachers complain not
a better indicator of their worth than inflated education requirements?
45 posted on 06/02/2003 3:44:47 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: gcruse
Too many good points for a good reply.

If my accountant had always done a good job for me then the discovery of a bogus degree wouldn't faze me. In the case of a surgeon, I'd be upset even if my giblets had gone back in correctly.
46 posted on 06/02/2003 4:08:03 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
I agree. There's something disconcerting about a surgeon will fradulent diplomas. And yet acupuncture supposedly works on animals, stomach ulcers are found to be a bacterial problem after decades of being treated wholly other, and the dental student who had the very worst grades in his class has an appointment to work on someone first thing in the morning. Brrrr.
47 posted on 06/02/2003 4:19:18 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: realpatriot71
And to think this whole last years with it's 1000's of pages of notes and difficult exams . . . I've been taking the hard road. For $3600, and open book exam, and a four page paper, I could have gotten my PhD

You're a schmuck but you're our schmuck. :-)

Seriously, I've often wondered why I try to do things the right way when it's the wrong-wayers who pick up the marbles. Keep up the good fight but don't forget the Atlas Shrugged thing. If your efforts turn out to be rewarding the bad guys...

48 posted on 06/02/2003 5:33:49 PM PDT by decimon
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To: razorback-bert
I am going to get a "Doc" of Global Warming and become an EINO consultant.

Do, we minsters of the Universal Life Church, have a secret sign and handshake?

The Secret Sign is a capital "S" with a vertical line through it. $ .

The handshake signifies your rank in the Order. Ahem.

49 posted on 06/02/2003 5:48:21 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: fporretto
Your Grace, do you know of a Mill I could go to that would officially certify me as a Plenipotentiary Lord High Exterminator or a Maximum Thunder Stud? I mean, Ph.D.s are so ordinary.

Actually, the little thingy that came with the (Suitable for Framing) certificate said that I could ordain ministers. They did not say what kind. Would you like to be a Cabinet Minister? Minister of the Interior?

Vicar of the Home For Runaway Porn Stars?

Let me check the fee schedule! This could turn out to be bigger than E-Bay.

50 posted on 06/02/2003 5:51:42 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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