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MI Gov Granholm Proclaims June "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month"
Office of Governor Granholm via www.stopgranholm.com ^ | 6-4-2003 | Monica Migliorino-Miller

Posted on 06/04/2003 11:12:28 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

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To: YankeeReb; Trace21230; scripter
"Well the obvious answer is that there's no such thing as NAMGLA (Noth Am. Man Girl Love Assoc.) , and there's no "Straight Pride" events in which this group would be included. The 45-Y/O sugar daddy who's caught with the 16 year old girl is quite properly arrested and we don't see anyone advocating support for him."


Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered (The taboo against sex with children continues to erode)

"... Four-plus years and many other challenges to the same taboo later, it is clear that this hypothesis got something wrong. For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see. Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls.

No: As was true four years ago, contemporary efforts to rationalize, legitimize, and justify pedophilia are about boys. Forget about abstractions like nihilism; what the record shows is something more prosaic. The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this "question," settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement.


The Problem with Equivalence: "Pedophilia Chic" defended

201 posted on 06/05/2003 7:10:15 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: All
I contacted friends of mine at Ave Maria -- one of them a professor and the other a librarian -- about Maida's inaction. One of them replied:

During the campaign, one of the profs at Ave Law school put a petition together and went before Cardinal Maida to ask if there was anything he could do. It was pretty obvious from the start that Granholm wasn't Catholic.

Unfortunately, Curia policy is not to interfere in local politics. Maida did nothing.

We're pretty aware that although she lectors in a supposedly Catholic Church, Granholm does not follow the teaching of the Magesterium.

I asked her about why she hasn't been Excommunicated, and am still waiting for her response. Not being a Catholic, I'm glad I've got a good source to consult on this.

202 posted on 06/05/2003 7:30:00 AM PDT by Kieri
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To: vpintheak
Trans-genders are those poor unfortunate blokes who can't make up their minds what they are. Some are born female but feel they should have been born males, and some are males who feel they should have been born females. Sometimes they go to such extremes as having body parts removed in order to function more readily in their new found identity.
203 posted on 06/05/2003 8:18:19 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: Marysecretary
Thanks for explaining the whole "transgender" thing.

So, what if you feel like you're a lesbian trapped in a man's body?
204 posted on 06/05/2003 8:22:56 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Then you cut off the offending member, dress like a man, and, in effect, become one. Isn't it a little sick?
205 posted on 06/05/2003 8:42:45 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: Trace21230
Yea and Your point is??? I don't need to explain homo's to my Child and it also dopes not need to be flamed around in his face being told to celebrate in it.
206 posted on 06/05/2003 9:50:46 AM PDT by JonathansMommie (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: BagCamAddict
AMEN!
207 posted on 06/05/2003 9:55:59 AM PDT by JonathansMommie (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: All
When I queried my friend at Ave Maria College in Michigan about why Cardinal Maida hasn't taken action against Granholm's pro-abortion, pro-homo stance she replied:

Unfortunately, the Curia seldom looks at anything but the big picture.

Their logic is that Michigan is small potatoes compared to the persecutions going on in China and Africa.

They took a similar stance with the child-molestation cases in Boston. They want the local bishops to hash it out. Unfortunately, in the Arch-diocese of Detroit, the local active bishop is Gumbleton, who is pretty useless. Gumbleton is a holdover from Paul VI days. Paul VI was pretty notorious for assigning bishops on recommendations from dubious sources. It's the orthodox catholics lack of faith in Gumbleton that drove the law school prof to try Maida.

But have no fear - things are slowly changing. When I was in Rome last month, I met one of the Msgrs on the committee for selecting bishops for the English-speaking world. He is incredibly solid and working toward getting orthodox bishops in charge. Right now, we have to deal with the holdovers, who are slowly retiring.

Hope springs eternal.

208 posted on 06/05/2003 10:18:23 AM PDT by Kieri
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To: Kenton
Kenton wrote:

I'm still waiting for somebody to proclaim a "Pride Day" for circus freaks...

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Now, now. You mustn't call them "circus freaks" anymore ! Tia

209 posted on 06/05/2003 10:40:39 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: tiamat
Continuing!

You mustn't call them circus freaks any more!

Those are "Differently Abled Performance Artists"!

tia

210 posted on 06/05/2003 10:43:21 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: JonathansMommie
"Yea and Your point is??? I don't need to explain homo's to my Child and it also dopes not need to be flamed around in his face being told to celebrate in it."

If you don't, someone else will...
211 posted on 06/05/2003 2:19:41 PM PDT by Kahonek
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To: lulabelle
LOL
212 posted on 06/05/2003 2:37:29 PM PDT by Moleman
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To: softengine
I have never known you to be a kidder ;-)
213 posted on 06/05/2003 7:59:31 PM PDT by fivetoes (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I reread your post and now I see what you're saying. Maybe a lesbian trapped in a man's body is in seventh heaven!
214 posted on 06/06/2003 8:52:25 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: Kahonek
My Child might find out eventually.But At 20 months old i dont need to explain sex to him let alone Gay's and Lesbians to him.my kid might also find out about beastiality but that doesn't mean i want him exposed to it.
215 posted on 06/06/2003 8:32:24 PM PDT by JonathansMommie (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Marysecretary
I thought you had missed the joke.
216 posted on 06/06/2003 9:46:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Forgetting about the gay issue ... the point of this article seems to be that Granholm should run the state according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. John F. Kennedy had to disavow that position during his presidential campaign, in order to reassure nervous Protestants and Jews.

According to this group's logic, Catholic politicians would have been compelled to vote against the war with Iraq, since the Pope condemned it.

Granholm is a politician, not a bishop. If Catholic elected officials conducted themselves the way this group wants, there would be fewer Catholic elected officials.
218 posted on 06/07/2003 7:04:14 AM PDT by TedsGarage
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To: Notwithstanding
That's what the idiots in Michigan get for electing her.

Live with it. You voted this dumb b!tch in, live with the results.

The "Union vote"...Oy vey...

219 posted on 06/07/2003 7:05:54 AM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: cgk
No, it's actually about anal sex, male on male fellatio, female on female cunnilingus, fisting, gerballing, felching, and other assorted deviant, depraved, sexual behavior.

It isn't about "identity" it's only about behavior. Twisted, degenerate, depraved, and bestial behavior at that.

220 posted on 06/07/2003 7:09:05 AM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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