It's like saying that the police forces would be better able to handle the Crips and the Bloods if those were independent nations.
You make my point for me. Of course the LAPD would not be better able to better handle the Crips and the Bloods if those were independent nations. If the Crips and the Bloods were independent nations, the LAPD would not be involved; handling the Crips and the Bloods would become the job of the United States military.
Suppose there is an independent Palestinian state. Suppose bombs are going off all over Israel. Do you think the Palestinian government will claim the bombers as their own?
Of course not. But the evidence will be there, and the IDF will presumably be fully justified in attacking their bases of operation within Palestine using military force instead of the piecemeal police actions we see now.
They will disavow them. But Israel would be unable to cross an international boundary to pursue.
Not true. Instead of a terrorist (criminal) action, these bombings would be regarded as pre-emptive military attacks, thus justifying a military response.
If at long last Israel has no choice, it will be condemned for violating the sovereign territory of another country. That has all sorts of international ramifications.
Yes, but those ramification will work both ways. The government of Palestine could also be condemned for using special forces to attack the sovereign territory of another country.
The US may be bound by UN treaties to treat Israel as an aggressor with the ramifications that follow such declaration. The independent Palestinian state could insist her allies come to her defense.
I don't think they'll have any real allies. By then, Iraq will be bristling with U.S. bases -- it will become (as intended) the "Japan of the Middle East". No one is going to aid the Pallies with a U.S.-occupied Iraq aimed at the back of their heads.
Use your imagination to realize where it will all lead.
In the end, the only way peace will come to the Middle East is when Western, Judeo-Christian culture overcomes Islamic culture and makes the idea of one nation invading another as unthinkable as the idea of Denmark invading Holland.
On the other hand, you may believe that if the Palestinians get some land, they will be satisfied and peace will break out.
I don't. I think the Palestinians are an ungovernable, uncivilized rabble that has been thrown out of every country in the region (which is why they are in territory that ought to be controlled by Israel now.) I think that a PLO-run gangster state will be created, will end up fighting a real war with Israel, and will be destroyed. The "west bank" and Gaza will be annexed by Israel, resettled by Jews, and the surviving Palestinians will be deported to Jordan at gunpoint, with the threat of nuclear war on any state that tries to send them back. The Palestinians are an Arab problem; let the Arabs deal with them.
You’re right, dealing with an independent state will be far more difficult.
Suppose there is an independent Palestinian state. Suppose bombs are going off all over Israel. Do you think the Palestinian government will claim the bombers as their own?…Of course not. But the evidence will be there, and the IDF will presumably be fully justified in attacking their bases of operation within Palestine using military force instead of the piecemeal police actions we see now. Instead of a terrorist (criminal) action, these bombings would be regarded as pre-emptive military attacks, thus justifying a military response.
Here you begin to address the moral conundrum underlying this theory, perhaps unintentionally. Bombs going off all over Israel, essentially you’re saying defensive action on Israel’s part, hundreds, perhaps thousands of Israeli civilians must die. I don’t accept that. We pursue Al Quaida worldwide despite the fact they aren’t a “sovereign state” based on our civilian losses 9/11, I think Israel has already met the same threshold.
Yes, but those ramification will work both ways. The government of Palestine could also be condemned for using special forces to attack the sovereign territory of another country….I don't think they'll have any real allies. By then, Iraq will be bristling with U.S. bases -- it will become (as intended) the "Japan of the Middle East". No one is going to aid the Pallies with a U.S.-occupied Iraq aimed at the back of their heads.
The world will continue to condemn Israel. I doubt the EU’s attitude will change. The UN general assembly will continue to be dominated by third world nations, heavily Arab, who are in agreement with the destruction of Israel as a legitimate objective. A constitutional requirement of this new “sovereign state” is achieving the right of return to Israel. Mazen has acknowledged that that is a fundamental requirement which can’t be negotiated away. By forcing the creation of this state unconditionally, the US is acknowledging this imperative.
As to allies, there are plenty. Egypt (who has now commenced practicing crossings of the Suez Canal into the “demilitarized” Sinai with their Abrams tanks, Syria, Syrian Lebanon, Iran, to name a few.
One of the terrorists great victories was getting the road map drawn without the requirement that their state be demilitarized.
In the end, the only way peace will come to the Middle East is when Western, Judeo-Christian culture overcomes Islamic culture and makes the idea of one nation invading another as unthinkable as the idea of Denmark invading Holland.
I’d suggest taking Sadaam’s strongest ally and presenting them a state governed by sharia law (that’s in the constitution we apparently accept too) isn’t making progress toward that goal. It’s encouraging terror.
BTW, accomplishing our goals, which they are, should be viewed in the context of the THE PLO'S PHASED PLAN, Political Programme Adopted at the 12th Session of the Palestinian National Council, Cairo, June 9, 1974. You’ll note the first concrete step is to establish an "independent combatant national authority" over any territory that is "liberated" from Israeli rule. (Article 2). This will soon be accomplished, on their way to the final objective, To provoke an all-out war in which Israel's Arab neighbors destroy it entirely ("liberate all Palestinian territory"). (Article 8).