You mean this face?
Posted on 06/06/2003 5:26:07 PM PDT by JCG
Edited on 05/07/2004 7:30:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
On June 1, services began at 1 p.m. at the Confederate State Park at Higginsville [MO] in memory of those Confederate Americans buried there.
About 300 gathered to pay their respects. Those attending were descendants of those buried there, some were there to just pay their respects, and some came for the ceremonies.
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Sure he did: collect the tariffs and no breakup of the union. He set them in his inaugural address. He was every bit as adamant and unbending about those two things as the confederates were about independence. Yet unlike the confederates, who would at least come to the table and try to discuss the impending crisis, Lincoln went full speed ahead into war. His behavior may only accurately be described as wholesale recklessness.
37.5% is the average rate for the first year after Morrill was enacted. About a year later, congress pushed it higher and it peaked at aroung 47%. The average rates are calculated from the total of all taxable goods in a tariff and are the standard economic measures of its size. They are calculated and put out by various government agencies. I think most of the really old ones are put out by the census bureau.
You already know the answer to that, non-seq. New York was where the warehouses were under the 1846 warehousing act.
U.S. trade with Europe DID collapse during the war. Look in practically any newspaper from 1862 around the time that the first trade reports from the previous year came out. It was a fraction of what it had been before the tax.
You mean this face?
You will find that there was no more “loyal Southern man” in the entire confederacy, but the reasons the slaveocrats proffered for secession at the time were totally bogus. Only revisionists offer them today.
Again, look at another item, and one, be assured, in which we have a great and vital interest; it is that of revenue, or means of supporting government. From official documents, we learn that a fraction over three-fourths of the revenue collected for the support of government has uniformly been raised from the North. Pause, now, while you can, gentlemen, and contemplate carefully and candidly these important items. Look at another necessary branch of government, and learn from stern statistical facts how matters stand in that department. I mean the mail and post-office privileges that we now enjoy under the general government, as it has been for years past. The expense for the transportation of the mail in the Free States was, by the report of the Postmaster General for the year 186S0, a little over.$13,000,004, while the income was $19,000,000. But in the Slave States, the transportation of the mail was .$14,716,000, while the revenue from the same was.8,001,026, leaving a deficit of $6,115,73o5, to be supplied by the North for our accommodation, and without it we must have been entirely cut off from this most essential branch of government.Leaving out of view, for the present, the countless millions of dollars you must expend in a war with the North; with tens of thousands of your sons and brothers slain in battle, and offered up as sacrifices upon the altar of your ambition,-and for what, we ask again? Is it for the overthrow of the American government, established by our common ancestry, cemented and built up by their sweat and blood, and founded on the broad principles of Riqht,, Justice, and Humanity? And, as such, I must declare here, as I have often done before, and which has been repeated by the greatest and wisest of statesmen and patriots in this and other lands, that it is the best and freest government-the most equal in its rights-the most just in its decisions-the most lenient in its measures, and the most inspiring in its principles to elevate the race of men, that the sun of heaven ever shone upon.
Now, for you to attempt to overthrow such a government as this, under which we have lived for more than three quarters of a century -in which we have gained our wealth, our standing as a nation, our domestic safety while the elements of peril are around us, with peace and tranquility accompanied with unbounded prosperity and rights un-assailed-is the height of madness, folly and wickedness, to which I can neither lend my sanction nor my vote.
Stephens, while a staunch supporter of slavery (for purely economic reasons) opposed secession because he knew it would be destructive to the south. The slaveocrats advanced numerous “non-slavery” arguments that carried no weight when faced with facts. Stephens dismissed all of the propaganda in 1860 that you are offering today!
| They south seceded for one two reasons – one of greed and the other of opportunity. Lincoln and the Republicans opposed expansion of slavery to the territories. You can ascribe any motive you care to that opposition, but it was the absolute bedrock of their party. But expansion was an economic necessity to keep the slavery and the slaveocracy “Ponzi scheme” alive. Slave property and slave trading was by far the most profitable business in the nation at the time. But with slave population doubling every generation, it was an imperative to open new markets for slaves or the value of all would crash and along with it, the wealth of the slaveocracy. It was not a trivial amount of money. The second was the fact that the Republicans were a “sectional” party and did not have deep or wide-spread support even in the North and not “open” in the south. Lincoln was considered even by supporters to be a “bumpkin” and unable to stand up to “distinguished” and experienced politicians such as Davis. (Sort of sounds like Bush v Gore, doesn’t it?) Stephens knew Lincoln and even being a man like R.E. Lee, loyal to his state no matter what, he understood that Lincoln was a man of considerable substance, and under no circumstances would he not give in. Stephens was a smart man. He knew that in the end, the south would be defeated. That is why he, not Lee or Davis or Jackson, or the other romantics or just plain opportunistic bastards, is the Southern “leader” that should be most respected. He did what he did, knowing the final outcome out of pure loyalty to his state.
President Lincon wasn't trying to force any chance, he was trying to prevent the rebellion of the southern states and therefore preserve the country as a single, whole entity.
Ah yes, the warehousing act again. I'm still at a loss to understand how that kept imports flowing into New York at the expense of New Orleans. After all, the act allows for duties to be collected only when the goods leave the bonded warehouse for delivery to their customer. If the goods are re-exported then no duty is applied. So if the vast majority of the goods were destined for southern consumers then why would the warehouse act preclude building those warehouses in Charleston or New Orleans where the consumers were? Simple logic would seem to dictate that. Why send empty ships to pick up cotton when you could fill them with goods destined for southern consumers.
Slaves were all but useless in any territory that didn't grow cotton - and labor for cotton harvesting was really what slavery was all about in 1860. Expansion of slavery was just a means of trying to attain political allies.
Geez, did anyone in Kansas ever actually own a slave?
Because colecting tariffs was the one tangible thing that the feeral government did (excepting the mail) that people were familiar with. It was a a visible sign of federal power.
It was always Union first with Lincoln; there's no big secret there.
The secession documents of the rebel states make plain that the only issue of note was the maintenance and expansion of slavery.
President Lincoln opposed both, and the war came.
Walt
There is no credible evidence that President Lincoln ever said "what will become of my tariff?" or any similar statement.
Walt
So did Timothy McVeigh. So did Robert E. Lee, for that matter.
Walt
This is where the teary-eyed 'milk and magnolia' is replaced with a blank stare.
Walt
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