New Hampshire Episcopalians Choose Gay Bishop, and Conflict

The New York Times ^ | 6/8/03 | Laurie Goodstein

[bobg]

My family left the Episcopal Church about 15 years ago after the Pastor said, "The Bible is not the Word of God, but a history of man's efforts to find God."

This Pastor was one of the most dedicated humanitarian I have known, and he really loved people, but he did not accept the reality of God and the Scriptures. My shame was that I was the chairman of the committee that called him.

This followed closely after our 12 year old son came home from his confirmation in a sad mood. When asked, he said that none of the 10 or so kids in his confirmation class really believed, but were going through the motions. He wanted to quit and find a "real church". He said they had hung athesist rock star posters in the Sunday School room.

The final decision was speeded up by Bishop John Spong of New Jersey. Of his many writings the one that said that the church needed to get rid of the "icons" like the virgin birth and the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus. It seems that it did not matter if there was a physical resurrection of Jesus. One "theologian" said that it was the resurrection in his heart that really mattered.

I ended up writing a 20 page paper on why I left the Episcopal Church....

[RobbyS]

We have the same types in the Catholic Church, and I am not just talking about the Gary Wills of the world. And the Episcopal Church would seem to fit their needs. But, of course, we both know why they won't go that way. The Episcopal Church is a shell of what it used to be. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, is a large organization that they hope to take over and mold to their purposes.

[AlexW]

I was a lifelong Episcopalian, and loved that church, but saw that, like our education sysytem in this country, had been taken over by the far left.
I left the church four years ago, and not likely to return.

[VOA]

Episcopalian Freepers, please take no offense...

...but right now I'm a very happy man.
Because I didn't end up marrying an Episcopalian.

The Lord does work in strange ways...
The Epicopalian lady is in the place she wants to be,
and I'm not in a place I would NOT want to be.

This is not gloating...MANY pillars of the great hall of Christendom are being weakened.

[VOA]

But he urged the delegates who elected him to be "kind and sensitive and gentle"
to believers who "will not understand what you've done here today."

Talk about your haughty "vision of the anointed".

This must be why "advanced civilizations" crumble and fall.
In a less advanced society, this sort of lunacy would elicit the proper response
from the parishoners with implements you just don't find in most modern homes:
axes to knock open the doors, buckets of tar and feathers for epidermal
application, and pitchforks for the application of "motivation" for the scroundrels
to get out of town and to stay the H-E-Double Toothpicks out of town.

[VOA]

Some people are already announcing that this is the last straw, they're leaving the Episcopal Church."

To bad one of history's toughtest Episcopalians couldn't make an appearance
in order to put them back on "the straight and narrow".

For a look at Episcopalian General George S. Patton ,
go to the URL below.

http://www.pattonhq.com/church.html

I suspect the new bishop and member of his cabal would get rougher treatment
than Old Blood And Guts gave to that one unfortunate fellow in the field hospital.

[Clint N. Suhks]

I pray for

SCHISM!

[Clint N. Suhks]

The presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Frank T. Griswold III, declined, through a spokesman, to comment on today's development.

Because he, like the rest of our diocese, are liberals who want our church to to accept perversion and forget what the Bible says. I'm ashamed of him.

[Uncle Kermie]

Bowling up cadbury alley.

[Frank_2001]

But wouldn't that make him a flaming queer?;)))

[Designed]

Amen.
If a church rejects the plain teaching of the only authoritative documents which tell us about the religion of Christ, why even claim to be a church of Jesus at all? They (The Episcopals) clearly do not believe the scriptures any more. Sinners are justified when they have the kind of faith that Abraham had, Romans 4, Galatians 3, James 2. When God stated a fact Abraham believed it. When God told him to do something, he did it. These people are DENYING the word of God. Why not just come out and admit it? Oh yeah -- they want to keep their jobs.

[Aliska]

I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out why the man wants to be a bishop, especially knowing the offense it would give to a large portion of those to whom they would minister.

We shouldn't have to deal with this stuff. We shouldn't be hateful towards them, but when they get so blatant and arrogant, how can you help resenting them?

[FormerLib]

If a church rejects the plain teaching of the only authoritative documents which tell us about the religion of Christ, why even claim to be a church of Jesus at all?

Because they can then mislead believers in Jesus to believe in something else.

But I know you already knew that!

[WOSG]

"Because they can then mislead believers in Jesus to believe in something else."

hmmm, hadnt thought of it that way.

I think it is important for the apostates among the Christian clergy to be honest about who and what they really are and if they are not believers and try to hide it, to be exposed.

It does beg a question of whether this gay man's belief systems includes the need to be faithful in marriage, or whether he believes in the divinity of Jesus and the preachings of the Epistles of Paul. IN other words, he is an Episcopalian - but is he a Christian?

[LTCJ]

This is not gloating...MANY pillars of the great hall of Christendom are being weakened.

Take heart; Christendom is being strengthened. Never forget to look at this as a spiritual battle fought in a spiritual realm. It is not the temple that matters; it is He Who dwells therein that matters.

Events such as these are delineating the followers of Christ from those He spoke about who have ticklish ears.

Not so long ago, Christians were divided, vertically if you will, along denominational lines. There is a major shift underway where the emphasis is not so much on denominational divisions, but more so on the fundamentals of the Christian faith. The new divisions, horizontal one might say, and much fret over, are happening within all denominations and divide the disciples from the apostates. Believers from many churches are seeing commonalties across the street and differences within the pews.

Given what the Sciptures reveal about the Bride, this is a Good thing. Don't fret over the temple being torn down because the Temple is being rebuilt.

[TheWillardHotel]

"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for the West as it commits suicide."

— James Burnham

[TheWillardHotel]

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Lev: 18:22

You forgot another verse.
Sorry for the double post.

[Redleg Duke]

Man, we got out of that state in the nick of time!

[Redcloak]

What? No Amazonian shaman available for the job?