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To: DensaMensa; The Ghost of Richard Nixon; yonif; American in Israel
The descendants of Isaac and Jacob were to be given the promised land. Ishmael was not to receive it, he was to be a wild man. God did honor Ishmael. He promised that he would be the father of 12 rulers and a great nation, and he'd be fruitful. BUT in his sovereignty, the Lord established His covenant with Isaac (a miracle sent by God), who was the child of promise. The title to the promised land of Israel passed from Abraham to Isaac, and then to Jacob. Ishmael was the child of Abraham's attempt to fullfil God's promise through his own efforts.

"Behold, you are with child, and you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Beacause the Lord has heard your affliction. He shall be a wild man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." (Genesis 16:8-12)

That scripture is a very true prophecy.

91 posted on 06/10/2003 6:10:57 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: MatthewViti
}The descendants of Isaac and Jacob were to be given the promised land.

That works for me. When then are those descendents? Jacob had 12 sons, but only the offspring of 3 of them were a looooooooooooooooooooooong time later called Jews. How about the offspring of the other 9 sons? Does the land belong to them too?

92 posted on 06/10/2003 6:54:00 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: MatthewViti
While you have part of the picture there is something that you have left out.

While Jacob and Esau were in the womb our Heavenly Father hated Esau and he Esau was to serve the younger. Now somehow nobody ever brings in just who Esau was and is today.

Toooooo many who think they know, don't know, what they don't know.

The picture is bigger than three tribes under the House of Judah, The full 12 were divided and it is Written that they would not be rejoined by man but after the second advent of Christ. Two sticks I believe is how they were referred to. Now we are told so long as there is war and rumors of wars "FEAR NOT". What is the opposite of WAR?
102 posted on 06/12/2003 7:19:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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