[Lorianne]

We should study what percentage of rapes (not to mention murder and other violent acts) are perpetrated by men vs. perpetrated by women. My guess is it is the disparity if great. From there we need to figure out what to do with men.

[Dolphy]

We should study what percentage of rapes (not to mention murder and other violent acts) are perpetrated by men vs. perpetrated by women. My guess is it is the disparity if great. From there we need to figure out what to do with men.

I recently read that over 300,000 females are victims of rape and sexual assault a year in this country.

[Reactionary]

"From there we need to figure out what to do with men."

I don't think you have much to worry about.

[jlogajan]

We should study what percentage of rapes (not to mention murder and other violent acts) are perpetrated by men vs. perpetrated by women. My guess is it is the disparity if great. From there we need to figure out what to do with men.

Heh heh. Clearly male inititated heterosexual rapes outnumber male initiated homosexual rapes, as well as all female initated rapes of any sort.

These people who like to play these numbers games don't follow through when the conclusion points to MALES as the defective gender.

[breakem]

I think that's called generalizing. Folks like Clint don't want homosexuals around, so they take the extreme behavior of criminals, radicals, and their agenda and then excoriate all homosexuals, must be a few million or so people. They just can't stand the thought that some of these people may actually be law abiding citizens who go to work and don't rape kids on a regular basis. Doesn't fit their world view.

Clint and his running mate polycrap cannot explain the legitimacy of their stats when cops and social workers all say there is a significant occurance of in-the-family abuse which is unreported.

I'm out.

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Numbers are wonderful things (lies, damned lies, and stastics - as the saying goes).

For example, let's agree that most people in the insane asylum eat mashed potatos on a regular basis (at least three times a year). The conclusion could be made that mashed potatos are a contributing factor to being put into a nut house. That's a silly conclusion and I think that's your point; that there is no more causality between being a homosexual and a child molestor than there is between being a man and a killer.

Stastically, to your point, we're dealing with subsections of larger populations. The majority of murderers are men and the majority of pedophile rapists are gay men. First of all, let's agree - murder and child rape are horribly wicked things.

That being said, can we fairly compare the two subsections (gay child molestors and men)? The math carries through, but only to an extent. For example, men are about half of the general population and account for the majority of murders. You wouldn't expect that from a mathematical standpoint. Homosexuals are less than 5% (or therebouts but far less than half) of the population, yet account for 80% (or thereabouts) of child molestations. This is even more unexpected and shows a great disparity between the population representation and the corresponding deviancy/wicked criminal activities. A much smaller percentage of men become murderers than the larger percentage of homosexuals who become child rapists. There is also some overlap between the two groups.

Additionally, I am unaware of any political organization advocating that murder is natural and should be tolerated. I am aware of organizations that say child molestation is ok and normal. No one advocates the murderous lifestyle choice. Many are advocating the pedophile lifestyle choice.

Numbers aside - this debate hinges on a moral fulcrum. From this standpoint it is deviant and wrong to be a homosexual. I don't have a problem including this in the discussion and recognize you may disagree. That's your right and you know that. I believe homosexuality is a wrong choice. In Old Testament Israel the punishment for sodomy was similar to the punishment for murder. However, the New Testament assures us that everybody will stand alone and account for their sins that were done in the flesh. And just as certainly as the Bible tells us that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, it also tells us that if you will repent and accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God - you will be saved. Don't ignore the word repent. Those who see homosexuality as normal (less than sinful) are not repenting.