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'The UK would be crazy to join the euro'
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | June 8, 2003 | Liam Halligan

Posted on 06/09/2003 3:48:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl


'The UK would be crazy to join the euro'
(Filed: 08/06/2003)

An influential former Bundesbank director tells Liam Halligan why he believes the single currency is fatally flawed

Wilhelm Nolling is a card-carrying member of Germany's economic establishment. For 10 years, until 1992, he was an influential director at the Bundesbank - the central bank that underpinned his country's post-war economic renaissance.

Before that, Nolling was a well-known politician, serving in both Houses of Parliament as a member of the centre-left SPD. Now 69 years old, and Professor of Economics at Hamburg University, this soft-spoken technocrat still oozes the charm and tact which allowed him to serve in a range of posts almost unique in his country's history.

But talk about one particular subject, and Nolling's natural caution is put firmly to one side. That subject is economic and monetary union.

"Germany is suffering its worst economic crisis in decades," he tells me in his oak-panelled office. "We are in bad shape and euro membership has played a major role in limiting our policy-making room for manoeuvre."

Across Germany, for all kinds of historic reasons, public criticism of the "European project" is politically taboo. Yet no domestic opinion poll has ever shown majority support for the euro. And no German referendum was held before monetary union was launched in 1999.

Against that background, Nolling is probably the most senior figure willing to articulate his country's deep-seated concerns about being in the euro. As he sees it, his technical experience and expertise simply prevent him from toeing the line.

"The present euro zone structure is devastating for Germany," he says. "Our economy is bleeding. And I am convinced the UK would be crazy to join - you should stay out for as long as I can foresee."

What is undeniable to Nolling's fellow Germans is their current economic predicament. The euro zone's largest economy is technically in recession, with 11 per cent unemployment. Germany is forecast not to grow at all this year and, with prices falling for the past two months, the spectre of deflation looms large.

"Deflation has already arrived, in that our economic dynamism has disappeared," Nolling says. "There is no willingness among the private sector to invest, and euro zone rules have cut back public investment to an extent we haven't seen since the war."

Nolling singles out the European Central Bank for particular criticism. "The ECB's interest rate cuts have been far too timid. The Bundesbank would have cut much faster and deeper, following the example of the US Federal Reserve."

Last week, of course, the ECB finally did cut rates - by 50 basis points to 2 per cent. With inflation of 1.9 per cent, the euro zone is flirting with negative real rates.

Yet most economists say any potential stimulus has been more than offset by the euro's recent rise. A higher currency undermines growth by making exports more expensive. This particularly applies to a trade-driven economy such as Germany.

"The truth is that the ECB is trying to carry out an impossible task," says Nolling. "You cannot set one interest rate for 12 very different nations - that's a problem which won't go away".

Critics dismiss Nolling's views as sour grapes: after all, monetary union stripped his beloved Bundesbank of many of its powers. "That's not the point," he replies.

"The point is that it is simply not in Germany's economic interest to allow major parts of our policy to be implemented by bodies which are not responsible for Germany."

I probed him further on the UK's prospective euro membership - both of us conscious of Gordon Brown's impending assessment. "Why on earth would you want to join?" he asks. I trot out the Europhile line about losing influence in Europe if we don't.

"But what influence would you gain if you did?" he retorts. "Your policies would be restricted by euro zone rules. And if Germany can't get the interest rates it needs, why should the UK? You will end up being treated like Ireland or Greece - and a big country like yours deserves more."

But how about that other pro-euro argument - that not joining would undermine our crucial trading links with the Continent? "That's completely untrue," says Nolling.

"The UK is in good standing in the single market - the euro zone will always want to sell you goods and buy goods back. That applies whether you're in the euro or not."

Nolling points out that Europe's economic woes are not limited to Germany. Even the ECB admitted last week that during the first quarter of this year, growth in the euro zone as a whole was zero. There is now a real possibility that Germany's recession could spread to other euro members.

"Just compare your country and the major euro zone economies and it's clear you're doing much better," Nolling says.

He says the UK still benefits from sterling's ignominious exit from the exchange rate mechanism, the progenitor of full monetary union. "The pound broke free in 1992. Since then you've been able to conduct your own policies and you should keep it that way."

So, will Germany ever leave monetary union? Even asking this is heresy, of course - or at least it was until two weeks ago, when the heavyweight French newspaper Les Echos wrote an editorial asking that question. "It's not realistic, for now, because we're so committed politically," Nolling says.

"But the whole system could eventually collapse, given the problems when one central bank has to steer an entire continent of nation states. Certainly, the more countries that join, the more ungovernable it will become," Nolling says. "In that sense, the euro was born to die."

Given Germany's economic problems, I ask, and if the euro is inherently unstable, how does Germany view a possible UK referendum on British membership?

"Many Germans privately feel that given the chance, they would have voted against, and we wouldn't be in this mess," he says. "That's why we feel the UK is a very privileged country."



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1 posted on 06/09/2003 3:48:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I'm glad that some are finally speaking out on the real consequences of imposing one set of financial conditions on supposedly independent countries.

If some parts of the Euro-zone are doing well -- they won't like the remedies necessary to help the rest. And vice-versa.

If the UK joins, it will be for political reasons only. This guy is right. The idea that Europe wouldn't trade with the UK is crazy.

2 posted on 06/09/2003 4:14:08 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The past is like a different country, they do things different there.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The Euro is a currency in search of a nation. The only hope is a dominant France or Germany such that the other nations are nothing but client states.
3 posted on 06/09/2003 4:26:48 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The ephemeral benefits of reserve currency investment leading to unemployment was predicted by Milton Freidman when the EMU was first proposed.

This was always about power, and was never about prosperity.
4 posted on 06/09/2003 4:42:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: BfloGuy
How long will it be until prominent American businesmen similarly speak out against the global economy?
5 posted on 06/09/2003 8:32:18 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: Carry_Okie
Neither does a jobless recovery here constitute prosperity.
6 posted on 06/09/2003 8:34:13 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Excellent article...Thanks! England save yourself!
7 posted on 06/09/2003 9:23:26 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"Germany is suffering its worst economic crisis in decades," he tells me in his oak-panelled office. "We are in bad shape and euro membership has played a major role in limiting our policy-making room for manoeuvre."

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with fact that Germany is a socialist state with an extravagant welfare system, could it...nah.

8 posted on 06/09/2003 9:36:26 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump for an excellent article!
9 posted on 06/11/2003 3:50:55 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (The EU will break up any day, but the USA is here to stay!)
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To: Smile-n-Win
A lesson to the world wankers from a Lt. in the field: (^;
 
 
09 June 2003

In the wake of America’s stunning military victories in Afghanistan and Iraq, the world is waking up to the realization that the United States of America is now the single most powerful nation on Earth, and is likely to remain so for quite some time. This has caused great discomfort in some quarters, but it need not be so.

Nations of good will have little to fear from the America, and indeed have much to gain from maintaining a mutually beneficial relationship. As this new reality begins to take shape, the United States will begin to hammer out new free trade agreements, treaty negotiations, and security arrangements with unprecedented speed. For astute statesmen and skillful diplomats, opportunities abound.

Therefore, as a service to all the world leaders, non-governmental organizations, dignitaries, lawmakers, and diplomats who will be conducting negotiations with the United States in the years to come, I present this simple three-point guide to “Living With America.” I hope they find the information within to be helpful.

Americans revere their Constitution. It is their most treasured national document. Schoolchildren are made to memorize the preamble, which famously starts with the words “We, the People.” Across the political spectrum and regardless of race, religion, gender, or class, Americans point to their Constitution as the single thing that defines and unifies them as a nation. Indeed, the American concept of “patriotism” is not based on racial, religious, or class identity, but rather on an appreciation of the rights and freedoms enumerated in this centuries-old document. It may seem quaint or even silly to an outsider that anyone should treat a piece of paper drafted by a committee of wealthy 18th century farmers, merchants, and lawyers with such awe and wonder, but don’t tell that to an American—unless you want to start a fight.

When an American president takes the Oath of Office, he places his hand on a Bible. But he doesn’t swear an oath to his God, or his country, or a monarch. He swears to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States.” All high government officials and military officers swear this same oath. To them, the oath is more than just a formality that one must go through to get a decent job. Bringing the Constitution into the picture lends these ceremonies a near-religious significance.

The United States Constitution is considered by Americans to be almost divinely inspired, and is not to be tinkered with lightly. If you are negotiating a treaty with the United States government, you had better make absolutely certain that it doesn’t violate their Constitution—because if it does, you won’t get very far. And don’t even bother to suggest to an American that they should amend their Constitution in order to bring it more in line with the values of the international community. Americans may vigorously debate the meaning and intent of individual articles and amendments amongst themselves, but the wise foreigner will steer clear of such discussions.

Americans believe in free-market capitalism. While it is true that the United States has many state-sponsored social programs, such as welfare, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and Social Security, it remains fundamentally a free-market system with a somewhat limited social safety net. A surprising number of Americans are directly or indirectly invested in the stock market, and labor unions in the USA exert a relatively small influence over the economy as compared to those in other industrialized nations. The government does play a role in regulating key industries, but that role is limited; indeed, many politicians have proposed further reducing government regulation.

One of the most popular proposals that any politician can make while running for public office in the United States is to lower taxes. Even if it means a reduction in government services, most Americans would rather keep their own money than have the government spend it for them. They do not see this as greed so much as a desire to “make it on their own.”

When confronted with global problems like poverty, famine, and disease, Americans seek out solutions that are consistent with free-market capitalism. They do not see this as “economic imperialism” so much as helping others to help themselves. Rather than allow dependencies to develop between givers and recipients of aid, Americans would rather assist others in developing their own, lasting solutions.

There is a culture in America of “rugged independence,” born out of the experience of exploring, taming, and populating a wild frontier. While the days of the frontiersmen are long behind them, many Americans still hold to such virtues as determination, self-reliance, and toughness. Thus, when foreigners mock them as “cowboys,” most Americans generally don’t take it as an insult.

Americans reserve the right of self-defense. America has constructed a military leviathan that has no match anywhere on Earth. What is even more incredible is that they have done this with a force composed entirely of volunteers. They are able to achieve this remarkable accomplishment primarily because most Americans have a genuine love for their country, a pride born (so they will tell you) not from any perceived national superiority, but a sense of brotherhood and equality with their fellow citizens.

The US military, unlike those of many other nations, is not designed to be a jobs program, a prop for parades, or a symbolic peacekeeping force. It is designed to fight and win wars.

To Americans, self-defense means more than just striking back when they are attacked. They take a more pro-active approach, seeking to confront threats as they develop. Hostile nations should be very wary of the temptation to use the threat of military action against American interests to blackmail the United States. Likewise, providing aid and comfort to America’s enemies will more than likely attract unwanted attention.

Living in an open society, Americans are generally tolerant of differences of opinion. When the United States moves to protect its interests, Americans understand that they will face some level of principled opposition from other nations, even some from their friends. They will have little patience, however, for any nation that moves to prevent the United States from exercising what Americans believe to be their sovereign right to defend themselves. There is a fundamental difference, in their eyes, between protest and obstruction.

Despite this pro-active stance towards self-defense, Americans do not see themselves as imperialists. They seek engagement with the rest of the world, but not domination. Indeed, they will proudly tell you that after the Second World War, when their armed forces occupied much of Western Europe and most of the islands of the Pacific, they gave it all back.

Except Guam.

 

10 posted on 06/11/2003 8:45:24 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The American people are proud of you and God bless each of you." Rummy to troops in Iraq)
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