U.S. tech workers feeling pinch of new world economy

©2003 Copley News Service ^ | June 10, 2003 | Phyllis Schlafly

[Afronaut]

Join the rest of us that got out with help!

[harpseal]

Something doesn't ring true in this comparison. If the Indian MBA is doing the same work as the Harvard grad then how can the Harvard grad ask for the $102K and who would be foolish enough to pay it? Doesn't the law of supply and demand apply to the MBAs or could it be they don't think it applies to them and that they are "entitled" to such high starting salaries? Seems as though they have a union mentality!

The union mentality seems to run through those who talk about our trade system being jsut fine as it is. They defend government subsidies, violating immigration law and welfare for those who make the decisions to dend investment overseas. I generally dislike tarriffs but if the government is handing out a subsidized loan to make the costs of imports lower (and subsidized insurance) and those imports put Americans out of work then is this not almost teh absolute reverse of a tarriff. surely a revue tarriff for those goods built in factories overseas to balance off the subsidy and reimburse the people who were harmed would not be a restraint on trade would it. it would connform to the Free Market prInciples would it not? Not advocating merely thinking.

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

Something doesn't ring true in this comparison. If the Indian MBA is doing the same work as the Harvard grad then how can the Harvard grad ask for the $102K and who would be foolish enough to pay it? Doesn't the law of supply and demand apply to the MBAs or could it be they don't think it applies to them and that they are "entitled" to such high starting salaries? Seems as though they have a union mentality!

You can rent a nice apartment on India'a west coast for $50 a month and hire a domestic to do your daily cooking and cleaning for another $25 a month. It has nothing to do with living standard demands, and everything to do with cost of living. In other words, the Indian MBA demands the same standard of living as the Harvard MBA, but it is available in India at 1/10 the price.

[harpseal]

It is only available at that price because the Idian Rupee is subject to currency controls and the the Outsourcing to India gets an american government subsidy in teh form of a low intertest loan and government subsidized insurance.

[junta]

If this trend continues politicians will be on the block as well and America will be a colony, probably a globalists wet dream.

[Farnham]

Boy!, are you ever right about that.

When I was in Japan, visiting my son,I kept seeing scads of business people at stores shopping during the middle of the day. The driving ranges were full (They close at 5:oo PM) and their parking lots were full of service vehicles. When I asked my son where they all came from, he said they were goofing off on the same schedule as the boss. Then they would "work" till 10 PM to show how dedicated they were.

I have consulted in plants in Central America, Phillipines, Haiti and Vietnam.(American companies)On average, these companies pay only 4 to 9% of American wages and still make only marginally more (in some cases actually less) than they do at domestic plants.

As for Indian programming, we poured $60,000 down that hole before we called it quits, and considered ourselves lucky.

[american spirit]

Exactly right and I would add that many of these same companies farming out jobs overseas probably receive fedgov contracts to augment their commercial revenues. If true, this means we have a scenario where our tax $ flow to companies who intend to eliminate American workers wherever possible and use fedgov subsidies to move those same jobs to third world countries.....I can hear the music from the old Looney Tune cartoons now!

[harpseal]

As for Indian programming, we poured $60,000 down that hole before we called it quits, and considered ourselves lucky.

sounds like the managers at your company have some brains.

[harpseal]

Among the companies rushing to farm jobs overseas:
Boeing, Pratt and Whitney, General Dynamics, Ford, Citigroup, General Electric, Loral,and many many others. gee I would be willing to bet a least a couple of those I mentioned have government contracts for defense. It seems Boeing either has just completed or is completeing a new manufacturing plant for Commercial aircraft in China. Pratt & Whitney engines and GE jet engines will be made in China. Now could it ever be that these newest most modern facilities subsidized by the US government could ever be turned against America? According to the Free Traitors that could never happen becuase the Chinese government would never ever do something like that besides if they were ever nationalized the US treasury would pay off Boeing et al for the loss of their investment.

Lenin said capitalists would sell Communists the rope to hang them with obviously Lennin did not understand the capitalists would give teh communists the rope freely because they thought they could get the money from someone else.

[hedgetrimmer]

Lawyers, Judges, Politicians, and fast food restaurant workers...

Well there's a healthy society for you! And so willing to stand up for the rights of the citizen to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Utopia.

[harpseal]

Who is going to be able to afford those fast food burgers? As to the lawyers there will not be as many because the grunt legal research can also be outsourced offshore.

[hedgetrimmer]

OPIC Mission Statement

“to mobilize and facilitate the participation of United
States private capital and skills in the economic and social development of less developed countries and areas, and countries in transition from nonmarket to market economies, thereby complementing the development assistance objectives of the United States.”

Government direction of private capital the less fortunate..hmm, that seems kind of familiar. Kind of like "From each(American taxpayer) according to his ability,
To each( third world country) according to his need "

I can imagine Mr. Marx is grinning from ear to ear right now.

[waterstraat]

If the process continues for longer this claim might become true as the expertise will shift to the foreigners.

It doesnt take very long. The companies around here, dont like it when they see an american resume showing the person out of work the past 6 months to a year. They will pass up your resume for someone who has "recent " work experience.

[MACK_DADDY]

H-1B workers are paid equal to or higher wages than US Workers because their wages are literally dictated and enforced by the Department of Labor, which require high salaries in order to dissuade the displacement of American workers. It is therefore more expensive to pay for an Indian H-1B than it is to pay an American worker, because with an American worker, you can pay them whatever you want, as long as it is above minimum wage.

Go here for the Federally mandated wage library, wherein wages for foreign (H-1B and Green Card) workers are etched in stone, and as you can see, are generally higher than what most American citizen workers in this country get, for any type of job.

Before an H-1B can work here, the employer has to have a labor certification approved first, and compliance with the DOL wage standards are mandatory. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Rodsomnia]

I don't know what planet your from but I live in CA. HB1 workers and the low wage green card workers are the lowest paid in their industry. Forget about some bullshit federal website get a reality check. The technical people often find themselves locked into contracts signed in India or China for which their American co-workers make 10-30k more per year for the same performance in the very same cities and ther're not allow to renegotiate fair market prices.

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

The laws are not being upheld. The reality is that the foreign guest worker is paid 1/2 to 1/3 whatever the replaced American was being paid. This has been reported by a variety of news agencies and organizations. Furthermore, the visa worker is fearful of being sent back home. He stays quiet and does not say a word about federally mandated anything.