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What's really going on at Saudi mosques
Jewish World Review ^ | June 11, 2003 | Joel Mowbray

Posted on 06/11/2003 4:57:42 AM PDT by SJackson

At the Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Mosque in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia, the imam reminded congregants of "the rewards that G-d grants them for acts of goodness, kindness and charity" and called on them "to focus on helping their fellow human beings, particularly those who suffer from poverty or who are sick."

That was the description provided by an observer who attended the recent service in Al Khobar, which was contained in a cable sent from the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia - and obtained by this columnist.

The imam's peaceful and high-minded rhetoric notwithstanding, he then called for the death of "the Jews" - albeit in a relatively poetic fashion, asking for "G-d to purify Jerusalem from the footprint of the Jews." Based on the May 14 cable's descriptions of other services across Saudi Arabia - which were observed after the May 7 discovery of a weapons cache in Riyadh, but before the May 12 bombings - the imam was not alone.

As part of continuing efforts to keep abreast of the "Saudi street," the State Department had its employees inside the kingdom attend mosque services and report to Washington the findings. The summaries provided are shocking, though hardly surprising. In the country that sent us 15 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, State Department officials visited five mosques - most of which had strong ties to the government - throughout the kingdom.

According to one State Department official familiar with the contents of the cable, the mosques all have sizable congregations and were selected because they constitute a representative cross-section of "approved" Saudi mosques. (Most mosques that do not adhere to fairly rigid standards of Wahhabism, a fundamentalist and Saudi-based strand of Islam, do not operate openly.)

In all of the mosques covered in the cable - which was marked "sensitive, but unclassified" - the imams said the sort of things people would expect to hear in a normal house of worship. The imams alternatively spoke of "charity," helping others, following "advice" provided by religion, "mercy" and "justice." But the sermons also contained comments that definitely would not be found in normal faith services.

Two of the five mosque services called for the "destruction" of Americans, and four of the five called for the "death" or "destruction" of "the Jews." On the latter count, the fifth sermon didn't NOT call for the death of "the Jews," but rather had a more generic prayer for G-d "to destroy … the enemies of Islam." Judging by the other four sermons, "the Jews" would be considered a subset of "the enemies of Islam."

At the Al-Hessy Mosque in the capital of Riyadh, for example, the imam talked of the pursuit of a "happy and peaceful life" and "asked G-d to maintain the dignity of Islam and Muslims." But he was not done. He then "asked for the destruction of the Jews and Americans," though as if to try and soften the summation somewhat, the cable continues, "something he does not call for on a regular basis." For whatever reason, though, the imam's audience perked up. "The relatively inattentive congregation showed more interest when the Shaykh asked for the destruction of the Jews and Americans."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: islam; saudiarabia
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Although the Al-Hessy Mosque is not funded directly by King Fahd, it is apparently close to the Saudi government, as officials from the Ministry of Islamic Affairs were in attendance. After the service, the government employees were standing outside - on the heels of the imam's call for the "destruction" of Americans - collecting money for Muslims in Iraq. Support for Iraq was even more explicit at the Saudi government-funded and controlled Grand Mosque in Mecca. The imam there prayed for G-d to help "Iraq score victory," though on the plus side, he apparently did not explicitly ask G-d to bring death to Americans.

Various Saudi officials, including the foreign minister, have told the international press that violently anti-Semitic and anti-American sermons were a thing of the past. The State Department has played along with that deception - the internal memo notwithstanding - trying to keep the Saudis as a strong ally and a partner for Middle East peace. At least when the House of Saud lies, it is protecting its own people. If only the same could be said of State.

1 posted on 06/11/2003 4:57:42 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Bump.

ROMPA.
2 posted on 06/11/2003 5:01:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: SJackson
Don't expect State to go after the country from which 15 of the 19 9-11 terrorists came.
3 posted on 06/11/2003 5:02:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson
They can be softly anti American and anti Jew,though!
4 posted on 06/11/2003 5:05:01 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: SJackson

Islam - Religion of Peace

5 posted on 06/11/2003 5:09:01 AM PDT by Seeking the truth (I went on the FRN Cruise for the 2nd time! Y'all don't miss the 3rd, ya hear?)
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To: goldstategop
True, destroy socialist tyrant but leave Islamic nutjobs in power....my perspective, I do not understand American "War" on Terror...allie with terrorist in Pakistan against democrats in India. Still call for diologe with Chechins and accept regular visits in DC. Strangle Israel from self-defense and force concessions on victem. Do nothing about Indonesian Jihad flotila chopping up Christians. Take down socialist dictator and impower radical Shiete Islamics. Do nothing about Saudi Arabia. Do nothing of Sudan's genocide (sponsored by Saudi Arabia) on Christians. Still arm, support Islamic narco-mafia in Kosovo and Makedonia. Still support Islamics in Bosnia, even after citizenship to Bin Ladin. Ban or make difficult for Europeans to go to America, but Arabs come and go....what am I missing?
6 posted on 06/11/2003 7:10:48 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
what am I missing?

Mainly that the American gov't is not a single man or even a single group, but a gaggle of infighting tribes, all seeking to get their own way. Part of this is built into the Constitution (the three branches: executive, legislative, and judicial), and part of it is just "the way things are". Most of the bureaucrats in the State Dept. are Civil Service, meaning they don't hold political appointments and continue after the (political) bosses that hired them (presumably because they held an agreeable ideology) have been replaced by bosses of a different stamp. Takes a while to work that stuff out of the system.

But you are right -- in "modern, enlightened, tolerant" America, prejudice against Christians is OK. By extension, persecution against Christians in other countries is a non-issue, at least for the US State Dept. and the elite mediacracy. As long as people like that control the flow of information, these abuses will run unchecked. Our concern is to find and maintain information channels the elitists CAN'T control (like FR!)

7 posted on 06/11/2003 9:47:59 AM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: SJackson
I saw a commercial (on Fox News Channel) this morning promoting Saudi Arabia as a partner against terrorism. I almost puked.

Did anyone else see this? Does anyone know who sponsored it?
8 posted on 06/11/2003 10:15:59 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Fight crime, return fire.)
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To: SJackson
Don't tell Bush. These are his saddle pals.
9 posted on 06/11/2003 3:06:30 PM PDT by gcruse (Superstition is a mind in chains.)
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