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U.S. May Hit New Debt Ceiling in 2004
AP Wire ^

Posted on 06/16/2003 12:23:20 PM PDT by sbw123

Jun 16, 2:54 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - The government could hit the new $7.4 trillion limit on the national debt next year- any time from April through October, Treasury Department spokesman Rob Nichols said Monday.

President Bush last month signed a bill allowing a record $984 billion increase in the amount the federal government can borrow. It marked the second increase in the debt ceiling in roughly a year. In June 2002, the debt ceiling was increased by $450 billion to $6.4 trillion.

The issue is politically touchy. Democrats have blamed the government's need to borrow more on Bush's tax cuts, his handling of the economy and ballooning federal government budget deficits. Republicans have blamed the weak economy and the costs of fighting terrorism for the need to extend the debt limit.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debt; tax; taxes
Does this scare anyone besides me? In light of all the press lately about how the Dems and GOP have switched position in terms of large and small government but their rhetoric has stayed the same, we need to seriously be discussing things like this. To risk sounding like a Democrat, how can the GOP expand government spending but reduce taxes? Why is the GOP doing this to themselves? Why are the rank and file going along with it? Has the social agenda taken the front seat and the economic agenda the back seat? The debt and government spending MUST be reduced. We wouldn't run our own homes this way, why are we allowing OUR government to do it then?
1 posted on 06/16/2003 12:23:20 PM PDT by sbw123
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To: sbw123
I say we keep running it up!

Seriesly, though, we can both grow ourselves out of it by cutting taxes while forcing "tough decisions" on scaling back entitlements by choking off the money going to the feds. Ramp up the social security age to 70, institute partial privatization, cut back on medicare/medicaid, and you're golden. THAT's where all the spending is, for all the talk about little pork projects and Farm Aid.

2 posted on 06/16/2003 12:31:30 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
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To: sbw123
The government could hit the new $7.4 trillion limit on the national debt next year...

It could hit the debt ceiling?! They're going to bloody-well smash through it. With stunts like sending $400 welfare checks from the IRS and calling it a tax cut and getting ready to spend hundreds of billions more on medicare with their prescription drug scam, coupled with the extra defense spending that we have needed for a decade and $7.4 trillion will just be a starting point. And the fed has lost it's freaking mind thinking that there isn't going to be a price to pay for flooding the economy with truck-loads of new dollars once they work their way through the system. It wouldn't be a bad idea to buy some gold.

3 posted on 06/16/2003 12:36:47 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: JohnnyZ
Would you please expound on that? Isn't cutting back on medicaid making the "tough" decision? How can spending more than you're taking in be beneficial? At some point, doesn't the debt come due?
4 posted on 06/16/2003 12:37:21 PM PDT by sbw123
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To: JohnnyZ
Cut all of those sacred cows and golden oxen?! Hardly. The White House is too busy "taking issues away from the Democrats" for anything reasonable like that to happen.
5 posted on 06/16/2003 12:38:56 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: sbw123
ARE YOU INSANE? ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY?

Since you are, apparently, indeed, totally cluesless, let me offer a clue: the equity markets appear poised to have broken through the last bear market resistance with a close above S&P 1000. This will force a reassessment by those who've been foolish enough to believe the likes of Puplava's disciples and the other Financial Sense(less) who've been predicting gloom & doom forevermore. Their inevitable reallocation into equities will continue to improve market returns which will return capital gains to the treasury. Even at the lower rate, having gains to take & pay taxes on will dramatically increase intakes in revenue and improve the deficit situation which is due - in considerable part - to the significant losses incurred over the past few years and, thus, lack of corresponding taxes.

6 posted on 06/16/2003 12:39:58 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Orangedog
It could hit the debt ceiling?!

The debt ceiling is completely arbitrary, self-imposed, a wimpy attempt to control federal spending, and subject to the whim of the moment. It affects nothing but the theoretical marketability of gov't bonds.

7 posted on 06/16/2003 12:43:14 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: sbw123; Orangedog
Isn't cutting back on medicaid making the "tough" decision?

Precisely. The Republicans would rather not take the political hit for it, though, so the idea is to reduce taxes to the point where it's either: A) Cut entitlements or B) Massive tax hikes. That way Democrats have to support B to pay for entitlements, which gives Republicans cover to do A without paying a big price come election time.

The other shoe is the economy; the higher the tax cuts, the better the economy, the more money to pay for entitlements with as small a %age of GDP as possible.

How can spending more than you're taking in be beneficial? At some point, doesn't the debt come due?

The deficit never comes due, really. It just keeps rolling over. The idea is that with economic growth, the debt/deficit can become a smaller and smaller %age of GDP even as it gets bigger in $ terms.

8 posted on 06/16/2003 12:51:12 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
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To: sbw123
Isn't cutting back on medicaid making the "tough" decision?

But yes the idea is to kick the "tough decisions" down the road a bit to where it's more politically expedient and when we may have more money (fed. revenue) at a lower tax rate.

10 posted on 06/16/2003 12:55:44 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
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To: Orangedog
Hitting the ceiling in 2004 would be a goof on the part of the White House. The last increase was supposed to take the next review of this out beyond the next Presidential election.
11 posted on 06/16/2003 12:57:32 PM PDT by berserker
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To: DigiLinus
"But I have stopped posting anything because the far right have taken your site over." -- Digilinus

Don't mind DigiLinus. He's a bitter liberal, but we welcome into the FreeRepublic "Big Tent" anyway, though that doesn't mean we have to take him seriesly.

12 posted on 06/16/2003 12:59:30 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
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To: DigiLinus
I see neither of us can spell oh well no bodys prefect

I beg to differ; I won my school spelling bee. It was a hugh upset!

14 posted on 06/16/2003 1:06:59 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
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To: sbw123
"At some point, doesn't the debt come due?"

Haven't you learned anything from the housing boom?

Just refinance! ;)
15 posted on 06/16/2003 1:07:07 PM PDT by Tauzero (the zero-arbitrage assumption is a self-fulfilling prophecy)
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To: JohnnyZ
Maybe a graphic can help show what is happening.

The approval of President Bush's latest tax cuts will push the U.S. budget deficit to a record of more than $400 billion this year, the Congressional Budget Office reported in its latest monthly budget review on June 9, 2003. (Reuters Graphic)

16 posted on 06/16/2003 1:11:19 PM PDT by berserker
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To: sbw123
how can the GOP expand government spending but reduce taxes? Why is the GOP doing this to themselves?

Globalist neocons owe allegience solely to the bottom lines of transnational corporations. To that end, the American Middle Class is merely a market to plunder and submerge with the burden of perpetual debt. And so long as their own coffers are full, they couldn't care less if the U.S. Treasury goes bankrupt.

17 posted on 06/16/2003 1:23:22 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Uncle Bill
ping
19 posted on 06/16/2003 1:33:09 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Willie Green
"how can the GOP expand government spending but reduce taxes? Why is the GOP doing this to themselves?"

"Globalist neocons owe allegience solely to the bottom lines of transnational corporations. To that end, the American Middle Class is merely a market to plunder and submerge with the burden of perpetual debt. And so long as their own coffers are full, they couldn't care less if the U.S. Treasury goes bankrupt."

I just wanted to see this get repeated. PING!
20 posted on 06/16/2003 1:53:34 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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