Catholic bishop of Phoenix arrested

FOXNEWS | 6/16/2003 | John Gibson

[sinkspur]

Roman Catholic bishop John O'Brien was arrested for leaving the scene of a fatal hit-and-run accident, and his car impounded.

[B-Chan]

How rude.

Let's hear your answer: where did the Bible come from? How do we know that the books in the Bible today are all divinely inspired Scripture, and who got to make that decision?

And -- more importantly -- by what authority did they decide?

[JoeFromCA]

It just occurred to me that the same Mariposa Cty DA who nailed this guy for harboring abusive priests (and whom the bishop dissed on TV last week) will now be prosecuting him for manslaughter/murder/felony hit and run. This perp is REALLY toast. The only party I feel sorry for, of course, is the guy whom the bishop killed, and his family.

The roman catholic church better get its checkbook out again. Maybe the pope and the vatican could contribute this time?

[saradippity]

We don't have daylight savings time in Arizona. I predict there will be much more to this story.

[Servant of the Nine]

How do we know that the books in the Bible today are all divinely inspired Scripture, and who got to make that decision?

And -- more importantly -- by what authority did they decide?

The Emperor Constantine in fact made the decision, at a time when he was not even baptized into the faith.

His authority was the combined legions of the Roman Empire.

So9

[xJones]

A similar thing happened to me. I reasoned I'd struck a large dog and kept going.

Did the large dog crack your windshield? When the object hits the windshield, even in the dark, you know what you've hit.

[CCWoody]

So this is the only way we can get rid of these losers? ~ RobbyS

Some of us had this thing called a Protestant Reformation.

Woody.

[Endeavor]

Look, I don't know what your problem is - I don't see the Catholic Church as infallible. You do. You've made your point.

You aren't going to change my mind. Your behavior certainly doesn't entice me to be interested in your point of view, and I doubt that many others find your points salient, or even clever.

Your theological view is not the point of this thread.

[george wythe]

What a sad episode.

As a Catholic, I'm hurt to find out a minister of the gospel did not stop to help an accident victim, or at least, to call for help.

What happened to the Good Samaritan example to help people injured on the road?

[JoeFromCA]

It also just occurred to me that in state prison this bishop will get a dose of the abuse the priests he criminally harbored were handing out to children in their care. Again, very sad and a tragedy for the victim, but certainly poetic justice for the bishop.

[CCWoody]

Or, worse, he didn't know he'd hit somebody. Or, somebody else was in the car with him and he doesn't want anybody to find out about it.

Just speculating here why a bishop would hide. ~ sinkspur

You see, if one of us Protestants had suggested that maybe the bishop had someone in the car with him (I made this same suggestion to several over email) I expect that we would have been kicked off of FR faster than a pederast could have found a tender young victim.

Here's another suggestion: perhaps the bishop is just plain evil.

Woody.

[gcruse]

I'm sick to death of these people. Sick!

Just another reason to home church.

[george wythe]

where did the Bible come from?

Which books are inspired, this I know,
Because Martin Luther told me so.
Only sixty six belong,
Deuterocanonicals were too long

[RobRoy]

>>Would we be seeing this on Fox News if the driver had been one of us? Somehow, I don't think so...and sadly, it could just as easily have been one of us.<<

No.

Because one of us would have stopped. A lot of people are missing the point here. His crime was not hitting a j-walker. If he had stopped, he would have no charges against him, unless he had some other, as yet unknown, crime from which he was running (drunk; girlfriend with him, etc.)

The reason he is in trouble is that it appears that he left the scene.

Remember, when you hit a J-walker, it's not your fault. You are the victim.

Oh, and if the windshield was broken, any - I repeat, ANY - reasonable person would stop, get out, and see what the heck it was that he just hit. That is, unless he was really drunk or had something else to hide.

[ultima ratio]

That said, there was nothing priestlike in this bishop's behavior. Why is this so often the case? What's the sickness behind these symptoms?

[Diddle E. Squat]

I was being sarcastic. Throw the book at the guy.

[sinkspur]

Here's another suggestion: perhaps the bishop is just plain evil.

He very well could be. He's certainly cowardly, and somehow thinks he's bulletproof after this "plea deal" with the Maricopa DA.

He reminds me of Edwin Edwards, perennial felon and former governor of Louisiana.

[CCWoody]

Your grade:
F
The correct answer is C.

As in “See me after class”.


Gee, you would have figured that the Catholic Church could have at least autographed the books of the Bible so that there would be no doubt that the "Church" invented the Bible. Of course, the rest of us who are not under some kind of delusion of granduer realize that the books of the Bible were written by various people of various educations and backgrounds through various times in history under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Woody.

[B-Chan]

"How do we know that the books in the Bible today are all divinely inspired Scripture, and who got to make that decision? And -- more importantly -- by what authority did they decide?"

The Emperor Constantine in fact made the decision...

LOL!

Care to back that one up?

[RobRoy]

>>Let's hear your answer: where did the Bible come from? How do we know that the books in the Bible today are all divinely inspired Scripture, and who got to make that decision?

And -- more importantly -- by what authority did they decide? <<

Those are really good questions. I'd start with the book "The Case for Christ," and then go on to dryer stuff like "Evidence that demands a Verdict" and its sequel. If you want more, read the ancient sources themselves.

A good spirital starting place on the whole issue, and the lightest reading of all, is C. S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity."

There has been an awful lot written on the subject over the last 2000 years.

[redhead]

""Just speculating here why a bishop would hide." Agree with your 'speculations'. . .and no doubt,he was hiding or just 'getting his grip'; . . .or maybe he just thought a deer jumped off the city sidewalk or somesuch. . . . Pathetic, pathetic excuses for Moral leadership. . ."

Yup. And, if there was 36 hours between the time of the accident and the time of the arrest, it would give him plenty of time to get rid of the alcohol on his breath (forgive me, bishop, if I am in error here...). If he was under the influence of alcohol, it could help explain why he would leave the scene.