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To: marajade; All
Anyone who has lived anytime in Phx should be accustomed to driving on surface streets... why is that? Because we aren't known for our freeways

We have the HIGHEST urban speed limits in the country to make up for said lack of Freeways.

And, until you have lived here, you DON'T even begin to comprehend the Wildlife situation. Don't let the harsh Sonoran Desert fool you...Mountain Lions regularly wander into Phoenix and other Valley cities from the Desert, not to mention the Bobcats, Coyotes, foxes, and yes, Deer (Mule Deer).

BTW, not to excuse O'Brien, but merely to point out that The Valley of the Sun literally crawls with Wildlife, and I am NOT refering to Scorpions, Gila Monsters, and Snakes, of which we also have an abundance.

Now, of course, you probably have heard that O'Brien has been rushed to the Hospital with EXTREME Blood Pressure...taken from the Police Station.

Time to pray for ALL involved!

242 posted on 06/16/2003 7:56:09 PM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: Lael; Desdemona; All
I don't know what his condition is, but it looks as if Bishop O'Brien's health has finally cracked...and is hospitalized at this time. My prayers are with ALL touched or felled by these tragic events.

If you can find it in your hearts....please consider it.

245 posted on 06/16/2003 8:12:13 PM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: Lael; All
And, until you have lived here, you DON'T even begin to comprehend the Wildlife situation. Don't let the harsh Sonoran Desert fool you...Mountain Lions regularly wander into Phoenix and other Valley cities from the Desert, not to mention the Bobcats, Coyotes, foxes, and yes, Deer (Mule Deer).

BTW, not to excuse O'Brien, but merely to point out that The Valley of the Sun literally crawls with Wildlife, and I am NOT refering to Scorpions, Gila Monsters, and Snakes, of which we also have an abundance.

I apologize to all for my poor Phraseology.

I am NOT putting Bishop O'Brien among "wildlife".

I am merely saying that in view of the actual wildlife present here, his claim that he might have struck a deer is not far fetched. In fact, that car looks like a Deer Strike, where the deer flips axially and the hoofs penetrate the Windshield.

Since most cities have 'strip annexed' way beyond the built up areas, The Department of Game and Fish no longer surveys there. Truth be known, there are Deer and Mountain Lions in most Valley Cities, with the exception of Tempe.

The area involved, 19th Avenue and Glendale, is a stone's throw from Moon Valley, which loosely connects Camelback Mountain, Lookout Mountain, Squaw Peak, Tapitio Cliffs, North Mountain, Union Hills, etc. It looks built up, but headquarters of Arizona Game and Fish is located on Greenway Road near 19th, a stone's throw from where the accident took place.

Look, most people who have lived here a while have seen more wildlife in a few years than most Americans will see in their lifetimes. That is the Paradox...a Desert with more animals that a Jungle!!!

312 posted on 06/17/2003 7:51:31 AM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: Lael
Time to pray for ALL involved!

Sorry, dude - no dice. Prayers for the Reed family, but O'Brien can't suffer enough for what he's done, and for what he's allowed others to do.

I'm not God, and I don't have to forgive squat. Be nice if I could, but I'm an imperfect and fallible human being.
331 posted on 06/17/2003 1:36:47 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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