A darker side of pot growing Diesel, oil contamination a slippery, but serious problem

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[robertpaulsen]

I think the law should be changed to allow people, who own oil wells in their backyard, to drain the oil from their engines, even little V-8 Suburbans.

[StriperSniper]

Ron Prose with the Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement, a division of the California Department of Justice. "I'm not talking about the guys with four plants in the closet. I'm talking about the guys who are like millionaires."

Triple play! Not only do they grow the 'Evil Weed', they are enviromental criminals, and worst of all they are the 'Evil RICH"!

PUKE!

[palmer]

Not surprising. Bacteria (from dirt) and air will eventually break down the oil. Spreading it out and aerating will help.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

I just looked at JR's posts and even did a cntrl f search for the word "libertarian" and nothing came up. So I do not know where he "thanked" Liberaltarians dear. There seems to be nothing "in forum" if you care to do a search as I did. It sounds like an urban legend promoted by Liberaltarians.

What I did find is that JR wants a smaller government, less taxes, etc. So what? So do most Republicans.

Anyways...this thread is boring.

Go back to your "Phish" records. I'd rather go to other threads and listen to britpop.

[jmc813]

There seems to be nothing "in forum" if you care to do a search as I did.

Our good friends, the Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Reformers, Buchananites, paleocons, and other right-wingers, etc., may have some pretty good ideas about constitutionality, freedom, Liberty, etc., however, they are weak numerically, and will probably never get much stronger. - Jim Robinson 6-10-03

So should I take your word for it and believe that L/liberarians really are liberal or should I take JR's word for it that they are "good friends" of FR? Hmmmmmm, tough call.

What I did find is that JR wants a smaller government, less taxes, etc. So what?Which is why he supports the Republican Liberty Caucus, a small-l libertarian Republican organization. You may not be aware, but there are very few members of the Libertarian Party here. The great majority of anti-War on Drugs FReepers (myself included) are Republicans.

Go back to your "Phish" records.

I'm listening to their New Years '94 concert as we speak. :-)

[robertpaulsen]

"leftist idiots who protested it ... are you "defending" them?"

No, not them. We would be defending their First Amendment right to free speech.

But you say you're not defending pot. Well then, what are you defending? Is there some fundamental, constitutional "right" to smoke pot? If so, then how can you be willing, nay eager, to let individual states take away that "right"?

If we're going to keep alcohol legal, why do you draw the line at making pot legal? Why not other drugs, some of which have been claimed to be even safer than alcohol?

[I_Love_My_Husband]

I don't "defend" it. I don't think it's the smartest thing for one to do, but if we are going to keep alcohol legal, it's a total sham that pot not be.

Hmmm. Well I'm against alcohol too and cigarettes. So I'm pretty consistent.

[jmc813]

But you say you're not defending pot. Well then, what are you defending?

Maybe I guess you can say I'm defending pot. When you have all these idiot government types going on about how "marijuana causes terrorism" and "pot is by far the biggest danger to our youth", and my personal favorite "pot will cause you to take you fathers unsecured gun out of his desk and shoot your best friend", then maybe I suppose I am defending it. I stand corrected. I just get tired of idiots with funny screennames coming onto these threads and accusing everybody who doesn't fall for the anti-pot propoganda of being a pot-smoker themselves (You are not one of these idiots, for the record).

If we're going to keep alcohol legal, why do you draw the line at making pot legal? Why not other drugs, some of which have been claimed to be even safer than alcohol?

Sure, if they're safer than alcohol, legalize them too, though I, for one, do not buy the arguments that heroin and the like are.

[jmc813]

Hmmm. Well I'm against alcohol too and cigarettes. So I'm pretty consistent.

If you think they should be banned, then I don't agree with you. However, you do have my respect for being consistent.

[robertpaulsen]

Your honesty is refreshing.

[af_vet_rr]

No, I think they just made the worst enemy of all - the enviro-weenies.

Think they'll start blowing up the pot growers houses and vehicles ;-)

[rebelyell]

The pro-drug war crowd is not usually consistent. In fact, some of them can sit at their computers, death-causing nicotine delivery device hanging out the corner of their mouth, and a neurotoxic, addictive, family destroying alcoholic drink in a glass at their side.....while they make posts calling for harsh penalties for growing and using a plant that has none of the above characteristics. Logic is not used in their thought process.

[MrLeRoy]

Is there some fundamental, constitutional "right" to smoke pot?

No, nor to wear plaid shirts. There are, however, natural rights to do both.

[robertpaulsen]

Ah, a "natural" right. What is that, exactly, and how do these "natural" rights fit into our legal and social system?

Or are you just making things up?

[MrLeRoy]

Natural rights derive from man's nature---specifically, his free will and reason. As a free-willed reasoning being, a man is able to formulate and pursue his own ends, and it is thus contrary to his nature to use him as a means to one's own ends. Thus, a man has the right to perform any action that violates nobody else's rights.

[robertpaulsen]

And these are different from unalienable rights?

[MrLeRoy]

Not so far as I know.

[j_tull]

Another arguement for legalization???

No, but it is a call to register all generator owners in a national database. :^)

[par4]

HPS lamps are not as monochromatic as LPS, but they are still highly slanted to the yellow / orange end of the spectrum and are not good for plant growth. As the article notes, growers use 400 watt MH (Metal Halide) lamps. These are also the lamps generally used over larger salt water aquariums because their spectral distribution is more even.

If you are interested in getting a better crop, regardless of the plant, MH is the best, not HPS. However, I believe that I read where a better yield will be had with the inclusion of some other lamp types to round out the spectrum, specifically quartz (incandescent). When I learned about this, my focus was on commercial and industrial lighting, not farming, but some manufacturers at trade shows were showing their wares to indoor gardening operaters.

Actually, outdoor stadiums use a combination og MH and Quartz lighting when they need to up their Color Rendering Index for night TV broadcasts.

Finally, the article also points out that sellers were questioning the number of 110 volt lamps sold. This may be true for quartz, but all discharge lamps are the same irrespective of the line voltage supplied to the ballast. The lamp doesn't know if you have 110 or 277 volt lighting in your building, it's the ballast's job to convert line voltage.

[MrLeRoy]

No, but it is a call to register all generator owners in a national database. :^)

Don't give them any ideas.