Powerful Senator Endorses Destroying Computers of Illegal Downloaders (Orrin Hatch)

AP ^ | 6/17/03 | Ted Bridis

[adam_az]

"So how about having to enter a password to download it?"

It just doesn't work that way - it's not people downloading it from "web sites," there is a LOT more to the internet than the "web."

These are programs that talk to other programs and run on peoples home computers - there is no centralized way to do it, and the file formats used are open protocols, like mp3, with no built in protection.

"P2P is a class of applications that takes advantage of resources -- storage, cycles, content, human presence -- available at the edges of the Internet. Because accessing these decentralized resources means operating in an environment of unstable connectivity and unpredictable IP addresses, P2P nodes must operate outside the DNS system and have significant or total autonomy from central servers."

from http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2000/11/24/shirky1-whatisp2p.html

[Arkinsaw]

The music industry has already deterred me by producing no new music I want to steal. Or buy.

True. The only things I have downloaded are things that nobody would buy or even put on the radio any more. The few things I have downloaded have been out of print for years and will certainly never come back. If they hadn't been available for download and HAD been available in stores I would never actually pay $15 for them.

I pretty much listened to them once or twice for the reminiscing effect and then never played them again. Its basically the same effect as choosing which old song to hear on the radio. How much money are they actually losing by me downloading Johnny Horton's "Sink the Bismarck" to listen to one time?

None. But they are willing to jack me around, sue me, or destroy my computer. Sure does not make me want to sympathize with them.

Its obvious that they are idiots. They are so wedded to the $15.00 CD business model and can't understand why their sales are going down. They were flabbergasted by the success of Apple's iTunes project. They fought VHS tapes, they fought recordable cassettes, they worried about DAT, they worried about CD's at first, they were reluctant about going to DVD, they fight every new technology and seem absolutely clueless and incapable of responding to a new emerging market or business model or seeing any potential beyond what they are doing at the moment.

They've had to be dragged kicking and screaming into every new market by the technology people.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

for the music industry he hopes to take by storm as a "rising star;" Knew about that, what a joke. for the pharmaceutical industry; for the legal profession; and, last but not least, for the innumerable hucksters who continue to peddle without oversight and regulation their generally useless and often harmful "nutritional suplements" from the backwaters of Utah

Didn't know about that, what an absolute scumbag Orrin Hatch is. The next time I see him on Hannity and Alien pretend to be a conservative I'm either going to yell at the TV or turn it off. Even if Estrada and Owens get through, I'll never forgive Hatch for uttering this buffoonery.

[adam_az]

Sean Hannity is an embarrassing ideologue. He ain't the sharpest crayon in the box, either. It angers me that Comes is the more intelligent of the two, even though he's usually dead wrong.

[bvw]

I do not know if you are still around, but perhaps if you are you might appreciate my reply above! Your knowledge and research on the copyright and patent was ever awesome.

[Arkinsaw]

We have published three books concerning very detailed genealogical records. They are protected by copyright. Our commentary and conclusions about various relationships are ours, yet folks will copy this stuff out of our books onto the Mormon forms, file them with the appropriate church authorities, and away that material goes into the archives to be published and distributed all over the world.

I am in complete support of your rights over your conclusions, your commentary, and your presentation. But it does irk me to no end to see a photostatic copy of a page out of the census records with a copyright notice on the bottom of it. Just because someone photocopies a page off of the 1860 census they think they have a copyright on it.

[EternalVigilance]

PING!

[tracer]

".....I'm.....going to yell at the TV....."

Hey, pal, looks like we have common interests!! 8~)

[BlessedBeGod]

Orrin Hatch doesn't think before opening his hatch.

[george wythe]

They fought VHS tapes, they fought recordable cassettes, they worried about DAT, they worried about CD's at first, they were reluctant about going to DVD, they fight every new technology

History repeats itself.

Just in the last decade, I've seen the cat-n-mouse game played in the streets of Mexico City when the local cops busting vendors for selling copyrighted material.

The first time I visited Mexico City back in 1990, the street vendors were offering bootlegged copies of audio and video cassettes.

When I went back in 1997, they were selling bootlegged CDs. Then in 2000, both CDs and DVDS were available for sale with movies sometimes not even available on the US.

How did the movie and music industries survived the wholesale bootlegging?

Apparently, these execs don't realize that their Chicken Little predictions have previously failed to materialize.

[TomGuy]

Yeh.

As soon as they try to do something like this, some kid will come out with a technology to subvert and go-around it; thus, defeating the whole purpose.

As a grad school prof once told me, pointing to his office key on the nail just above his office door, "Locks only keep honest people out."

[HiTech RedNeck]

Just because someone photocopies a page off of the 1860 census they think they have a copyright on it.

Technically they do, on their image. This does not preclude you making your own copy off the same original, public domain census. Quite likely it also does not preclude your transcribing the information as text, since your result in that case could not in any way be distinguished from the result if you had used the original.

[Paulie]

"This is a truly stupid statement."

Indeed.

[DoughtyOne]

Orin Hatch has finally gone so far over the edge that nobody will be able to defend his stupidity any longer.

Call the man a stretcher.

[adam_az]

Never misoverestimate Orrin Hatch!

[fat city]

Sounds like a presidential run to me </sarc>

[Taxman]

Senile old so-and-so ought to resign.

[killjoy]

Its obvious that they are idiots. They are so wedded to the $15.00 CD business model and can't understand why their sales are going down. They were flabbergasted by the success of Apple's iTunes project. They fought VHS tapes, they fought recordable cassettes, they worried about DAT, they worried about CD's at first, they were reluctant about going to DVD, they fight every new technology and seem absolutely clueless and incapable of responding to a new emerging market or business model or seeing any potential beyond what they are doing at the moment.

Why do DVD movies cost about the same as the CD music soundtrack that goes along with it? I remember back when movies were first released on VHS and they went for approximately $100. I don't know how many people actually bought them but I remember having a large number of movies on VHS that I taped off of HBO, Showtime, and other movie channels. I have bought many DVDs because they are affordable.

What has happened with music CDs? Unlike movies who's price keeps dropping, the price of music CDs keeps going up. It is no wonder people don't buy as many as before and have switched to downloading songs insted. If they would drop the price of music CDs to about $6 each, they would put an end to online swapping. They just don't get it, do they?

[EternalVigilance]

Should be an interesting convention next time around in Utah.

Many Republicans there are flat out sick of the guy.

[Centurion2000]

WASHINGTON (AP) - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said Tuesday he favors developing new technology to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet

To Orrin Hatch: Way to respect the 5th Amendment and due process there man. NICE.