Although they left out the hijinks surrounding the pepper moths, this is a nice illustration of why Darwin was one of the nost brilliant people to ever walk the planet.
1 posted on
06/17/2003 7:05:07 PM PDT by
Pharmboy
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Ping
2 posted on
06/17/2003 7:06:45 PM PDT by
Pharmboy
(Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
To: Pharmboy
So, when do we start seeing hunter-orange deer?
3 posted on
06/17/2003 7:09:18 PM PDT by
Grut
To: Pharmboy
Although they left out the hijinks surrounding the pepper moths... It's like doing a biography of Hitler and leaving out the nasty bits about World War II. But, hey, this is the New York Times writing here!
To: Pharmboy
*Sigh* What they described is NATURAL SELECTION (ie, the light colored mice on dark lava flows get eaten, the dark ones do not and reproduce, and *voila!*)
Evolution would be having the rats turn into flying fish or something similar. And that ain't happenin'.
To: Pharmboy
So, when do we get creationist cranks claiming that it used dead rats glued to rocks and sand and that the fact that the photographs were somewhat set up "proves" that the study was a sham?
16 posted on
06/17/2003 8:24:41 PM PDT by
Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
To: Pharmboy
Darwin was a plagiarist.
19 posted on
06/17/2003 8:31:23 PM PDT by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
To: Pharmboy
I think this is the most ironic passage of all:
Dr. Majerus said many kinds of animals showed light and dark forms, from deer mice to squirrels and chipmunks. There are even black ladybugs. ...
But while many dark forms are abundant and can be studied at scientists' leisure, Dr. Majerus said that of the peppered moth was slowly disappearing.
So while there is nearly unanimous praise for the increasingly clean air in industrialized regions of the United States and Britain, there may be, at least for some scientists, a downside. "We've got about 15 or 16 years," Dr. Majerus said, "before those black forms, if they continue to disappear at the current rate, disappear completely."
32 posted on
06/17/2003 10:51:00 PM PDT by
jennyp
(http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
To: Pharmboy
Other well-studied examples of human-driven adaptive change include... the increase in the numbers of dark-winged forms compared with light-winged forms of the peppered moth in the United States and England after industrialization turned air sooty and polluted. LOL! Apparently the dope who wrote this article didn't study the peppered moth hoax very well.
Remember those photos of white moths on dark tree trunks that we all saw in school? Those photos were staged. How do we know? For one thing, these moths light on the undersides of leaves, not tree trunks. Also, the photographer admitted that he glued the moths to the tree trunks.
To: Pharmboy
The pepper moth hypothesis has been proven to rest on fraudulent data, manipulated to support the researcher's Darwinian biases.
The field of Darwinian "proof" is strewn with the bleached bones of deliberate fraud left behind by supposedly objective and dispassionate scientists. Ernst Haeckel's "ontology recapitulates phylogeny" fraud is still being reprinted in scientific texts.
You should be ashamed of your heroes, not in blind awe of them.
To: Pharmboy
"But while many dark forms are abundant and can be studied at scientists' leisure, Dr. Majerus said that of the peppered moth was slowly disappearing.
So while there is nearly unanimous praise for the increasingly clean air in industrialized regions of the United States and Britain, there may be, at least for some scientists, a downside. "We've got about 15 or 16 years," Dr. Majerus said, "before those black forms, if they continue to disappear at the current rate, disappear completely."
There you have it - nature is discriminating against animals based upon the color of their skin - when will the NAACP file their lawsuit?
55 posted on
06/18/2003 7:15:25 AM PDT by
3Lean
To: Pharmboy
But they can't be the same species and have mutated genes for different colored hair, but they're still just mice...
Oh, never mind. He'll show up eventually.
To: Pharmboy
pinpointing the DNA sequence changes that underlie this classic story of evolutionary change, the cute and furry counterpart to the famous case of the peppered mothThis article is obviously a hoax. There are no cute mice.
86 posted on
06/18/2003 11:35:56 PM PDT by
exDemMom
(Spay and neuter your pets. I don't need more cats!)
To: Cacique
ding
96 posted on
06/19/2003 12:59:15 AM PDT by
Cacique
To: Pharmboy
this is a nice illustration of why Darwin was one of the nost brilliant people to ever walk the planet " .....scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume on which the facts cannot be adduced, often apparently leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I arrived".
[Origin of the Species: On the origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life, Charles Darwin, stupidest white man of all time]
To: Pharmboy
I must be colored like an office chair, so as to be camoflauged at work.
149 posted on
06/20/2003 4:56:15 AM PDT by
Lazamataz
(PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
To: Pharmboy
If differences in skin color are inconsequential in humans, and they are, then what is the big deal about differences in skin color within a species of mouse?
Nearly everywhere these mice are sandy-colored, well camouflaged as they scurry across beige-colored outcrops. But in some areas, ancient lava flows have left behind swaths of blackened rock. There the same species of rock pocket mouse has only dark coats, having evolved an entirely distinct and, for their surroundings, equally well-disguised pelage.
If, as the excerpt above says, it is the same species, then this is no more of a big deal than guernsies and holsteins as far as I can tell.
To: Pharmboy
There is a huge chasm between adaptation for survival and evolution of a breed/species.....it all depends on the environment.
The peppered Moth fraud was discounted, even by die hard evolutionists, many moons ago.
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