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To: ohioWfan
You're leaving an important ingredient out.......God's will.

You're assuming that it is predestined. My understanding of it, both scriptural and experiential, leaves substantial room for free will. I've seen people walk away from what seemed to be *obvious* divine setups, and suffer for it. Yet the "dumped" party eventually married someone else -- was that predestined before the earth was created? I don't think so.

My point is that you don't need to date a lot of women/men to find the one that God wants you to have as a life partner.

Sometimes you do. Sometimes it takes a diligent, targeted effort to locate potential partners -- especially in major metropolitian areas where the Christians are few and far between. Some guys just won't find a mate unless they visit other churches, join Christian dating services, troll the Christian internet sites, and take lots of different Christian women to dinner -- and keep it up until something clicks with somebody. Courtship advocates sternly discourage that sort of effort, of course. Yet, none of them could tell me an alternative.

...in no case did I say that one should never go on a date. I think you may have misread my position.

Since you advocated "I Kissed Dating Goodbye", I made that assumption. If the author had limited the book's scope to teenagers, it wouldn't be all that bad, but he didn't -- and a lot of adult singles ditched dating at his word, without having an alternative path to the altar...

However, our own four children (23, 21, 19 and 16) have all opted not to date on a regular basis

How, exactly, do you define that basis? If you mean, your kids don't have a compulsive need to go out with someone, anyone, every weekend, I wholeheartedly agree. If one doesn't know anyone potentially worth pursing, going out with anyone just for the sake of going out is ridiculous, sexually dangerous, and expensive.

Sadly, a lot of Christian women seem to have the idea that they have a "right" to be taken out regularly, and if no Christian man asks them out, they'll date nonbelievers (and if challenged, will indignantly defend that decision thus: "They're the only ones asking!" -- which, often isn't even the truth!). Meanwhile, the Christian guys, for the most part, have the faith to *sit at home* Friday and Saturday nights rather than be in a spiritually unequal dating situation. Ugh. Bad memories...

But "not dating on a regular basis", is a big, big difference from "not dating at all", which is the "offical" courtship party line.

284 posted on 07/01/2003 11:32:37 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Rytwyng
I recommend the book as a good point of departure for a general position that dating is vastly overrated, and downright dangerous for teens......but expected by society. Swallowing any one person's philosophy from a book, hook, line and sinker is not smart in any case, and I never said that I had done so (In fact I said the opposite). You definitely misread my endorsement of the book as being more than it was.

As to the predestination, this is not the thread to get into a discussion of Calvinism vs. Armenianism. I know that my husband is the absolutely perfect person for me to have to spend my life with, and I cannot attribute our meeting to either chance, or to my own free will. I don't deserve him.

And now I will leave this discussion with my impression of you......you have found the right wife for you, and you are griping because you didn't marry someone else sooner because you didn't date.

It looks to me like you need to be thankful for what you have, give up the pity party you seem to be in, and at the same time, let others make their own choices, even if they are different from your own.

285 posted on 07/01/2003 1:12:17 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH!!! 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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