[Alberta's Child]

All the legal recognition in the world isn't going to make a severe personality disorder "normal" in any sense. The Justice Department may as well start celebrating Alcoholic Pride Day and Wife-Beater Day.

[TheWillardHotel]

Goldberg can stick "it" where the sun don't shine. I am never lowering my standards. I don't care what the NY times or some television show says.

[ex-Texan]

Canada is in the grips of the powers of darkness. That is the reality.

[AntiGuv]

Yep. The writing's clearly on the wall. What remains is just so much sound & fury, signifying nothing..

[Humidston]

This whole thing just stinks. I say we BAN network TV in our homes because it's only going to get worse.

Just think - we have the shrinks now trying to decide whether or not to state pedophelia is normal behavior!

[Angelus Errare]

So traditional conservativism on the issue of sexuality is lost because Hollywood (and Europe, of which Canada can be viewed as an extension) says so? My God, were we to apply the same standards to the portrayal and view of Republicans and Bush we might as well concede the ideological battle right now and prepare ourselves for the coming socialist utopia.

The problem is that time is ultimately on the side of those who champion traditional morality in the form of reproduction. Large chunks of Western Europe have completely secularized itself to a degree that would have made the French Revolutionaries and their Goddess of Reason smile down with pride. There are still people trying to turn around that continent and I hope to God that they succeed, but every indication that I get out the northwestern sector of the continent (you notice Goldberg doesn't cite opinions on homosexuality from say ... Poland or Croatia or Bulgaria) is that this is a civilization that is deep in decline and has long since past its zenith as far as cultural or social innovations goes. And Canada, as I said, is primarily in its current proto-European state as the result of domination by the Liberal Party for an extremely long period of time, which is in part due to the Canadian conservatives' decision to abandon their commitment to traditional morality. There is a direct correlation here.

BTW, since when did how the rest of the West views an issue become a standard for how the US should conduct itself? A lot of European states are all giddy over the ICC (as is Hollywood), but I don't think that Goldberg is going suggest we sign on because "the elites" think we should.

[Clint N. Suhks]

gays have won.

Except for the Quinnipiac University poll; Voters say 58 - 27 percent that homosexual behavior is morally wrong…

[beckett]

Goldberg is being disingenuous. The column reads like a lament, but Goldberg has long been a friend of homosexual rights. Why doesn't he just state as much up front? Weird column.

[agitator]

He's admitting and propagating their victory without even knowing it. "Appropriation" of pleasant sounding terms in an effort to mask the unpleasant notwithstanding, the term is "homosexual." See what I mean?

[RealEstateEntrepreneur]

Gays indeed have become mainstreamed. It's inexorable. Women having careers. Blacks having equal rights. Tolerating gays. It's called being enlightened.

The ultimate proof are the number of us on a right-wing Web site who are gay-friendly.

America is on an inexorable liberal path on social issues, and has pretty much seen its realization. (Only those who don't think for themselves and take the Bible literally see this path leading to tolerance of pedophilia and everything else they try to scare us with.)

However, on economic issues, America is on a path towards the right. America has seen the failure of New Deal socialism and is moving away. 10-15 years ago, when I tried to talk about privatizing social security, or replacing the IRS, it was laughable. Even among Republicans. Now, they're taken seriously, and you'll see significant steps toward these goals by the end of Bush's second term.

America has also veered sharply to the right on national security, since 9-11. And that isn't going to change for a long, long time.

So, if you're a conservative: You're winning in 2 out of 3 of the major categories.

But if you're focused on social issues--you have a lost cause.

[Dane]

Huh, according to a blurb I looked up on google, it doesn't look like Ashcroft didn't make a total capitualation.

declaring gay pride, and none from the Attorney General. Thus, Ashcroft’s office had ruled that the event could not take place at the Department. Justice ...

According to another article, Justice stated that the gay group would have to pay a rental fee for using the Great Hall at DOJ.

After weeks of controversy, gay employees in the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) decided to relocate their annual awards event, rejecting what they call the department's offer of "second class status."

Directors of the employee group, known as DOJ Pride, issued a statement on Wednesday, saying that the event will take place in the Russell Senate Building rather than the DOJ's Great Hall, where the event was held last year.

After being told by the Attorney General's Office earlier this month that the group could not hold its annual Pride month event in the department's Great Hall, the DOJ reversed itself last week and said the group could meet there, only without the department's sponsorship.

The offer meant that DOJ Pride would have to pay a rental fee of $1,000 and other costs to use the Great Hall -- a condition not required of other employee groups, DOJ Pride said

[Hinoki Cypress]

"...Asian-American gay actor B.D. Wong about his book Following Foo..."

Ummmmm, no; I'll just pass on that one, thankyouverymuch.

[NYer]

It's all but a forgone conclusion that the US will follow Canada and the others. Hitlary has already taken the first step.

Accomplishments of
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
in the 108th Congress

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Civil Rights

• Filed an amicus brief with Senate colleagues supporting the University of Michigan's affirmative action policy.
  
  
• Cosponsored the Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act to grant the same benefits to the domestic partners of federal employees that are currently offered to employees' legal spouses, including health insurance.

  Bill Status

[AAABEST]

I can't stand to listen to this ignorant, effen neocon liberal moron anymore. Please get him out of my damn face.

The crap that pours out of this moronic idiot's mouth is the mantra of the New Republican party.

[Ohioan]

Pathetic! A good example of the whipped cur brand of Conservatism, of which we are seeing far too much these days. The idea goes like this:

1. The Left is too well entrenched in the media and academia.

2. Using their power and influence, they have convinced a majority of the population to accept 'concept a.'

3. Therefore, we are wasting out time to even try to fight 'concept a.'

I would hope that any intelligent third grader would understand how abysmally stupid this whipped cur Conservatism is. The obvious retort is that what we need to do is persuade more people to the truth of why we oppose 'concept a.' Now how does a rational person do that? Why first of all, you stop listening to the 'whipped curs,' and begin by explaining to others why 'concept a' is a bad idea. You don't just roll over and play dead, you explain your own vision; your own understanding. Instead of shutting up about 'concept a,' you confront what you consider the obvious errors of those supporting it.

People for Centuries understood that this particular "concept a" was a bad idea, a very bad idea; and every reason they ever had for believing that this 'concept a' was a bad idea, is still part of our arsenal!

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[kidd]

Sigh.

Marriage is a religious sacrament.

If homosexuals want to have a party where the formally announce to their friends and (deeply-embarrassed) family that they intend to bugger each other for a couple of weeks, thats up to them.

And if the government of Canada wants to make it known publicly that they are buggering each other, thats also up to them.

But its not the sacrament of Marriage.

I suggest that all Freepers stop using the term "Marriage" and now refer to it as the "Sacrament of Marriage". For example, if you are asked, "Are you two married?", answer "Yes, we are sacramentally married" or "Yes, we were married in the church".

[RomanCatholicProlifer]

More ramblings from that pseudo intellectual, neo conservative Goldberg again, I see. Neo Conservatives have sold thier sold to the PC crowd on many topics, with the normalization of homersexuality being at the top. Normalizing the deviancy of homersexuals has diluted conservativism.

[RAT Patrol]

Goldberg is only willing to cave because he sides with the left on this issue. He has already advocated for domestic partnership legislation himself. He would never lie down and play dead so easily if he really gave a rip about the issue himself. I've lost a lot of respect for him lately.

[First Amendment]

In short, it's a global trend and, like it or not, the traditionalists have lost. This isn't a value judgment, it's simply dispassionate analysis. Many conservatives refuse to accept this fact. But refusing to acknowledge a fact doesn't make it any less real.

I haven't even read the thread yet and I am p***ed and more than a little sick to my stomach. If the US had this attitude towards Hitler (whine - he won some battles, let's wave the white flag and hope he doesn't put all of us in the ovens!) we'd be speaking German and world Jewry would be a memory.

What is this guy's personal viewpoint on homosexuality? He sees what he wants to see. Moral relativism at its best. Nauseating. He can give up if he likes. It's d***less wimps like him that are helping the homo cause.

[First Amendment]

In short, it's a global trend and, like it or not, the traditionalists have lost. This isn't a value judgment, it's simply dispassionate analysis. Many conservatives refuse to accept this fact. But refusing to acknowledge a fact doesn't make it any less real.

I haven't even read the thread yet and I am p***ed and more than a little sick to my stomach. If the US had this attitude towards Hitler (whine - he won some battles, let's wave the white flag and hope he doesn't put all of us in the ovens!) we'd be speaking German and world Jewry would be a memory.

What is this guy's personal viewpoint on homosexuality? He sees what he wants to see. Moral relativism at its best. Nauseating. He can give up if he likes. It's d***less wimps like him that are helping the homo cause.