[tdadams]

I'm fairly fond of little guns, so you're preaching to the converted. Like I said, it's all a matter of how you use and what your needs are. I imagine El Al security thinks that's a good round so as not to penetrate the plane if it's fired. They're also extremely well trained and are infinitely more capable than most of killing a person with one shot from a .22 short.

I also don't think, as a lot do, that higher velocity is always better. As I said before, a high velocity 9mm can go straight through a person without their even realizing they've been shot. A person shot with a .380 on the other hand, which is about the same size round but with less velocity, would definitely know they've been shot, especially if you're talking about hollow points.

If anyone thinks being shot with a .22 short is no big deal, just take a quarter inch screwdriver and stab it in your neck. One is just as lethal as the other. But going back to the OP about stopping power, it's the last thing you'd use for stopping power.

[BigandBad]

baloney. the 380 jhp doesn't have enough velocity to expand in flesh, reliably. i've shot dozens of animals with such loads, and it's a joke. There's no reason to not carry a 15 oz, 6" long Kahr PM9 9mm. it's very pocketable and controlable, and with 90 gr jhp CorBon's, it's got about 400 ft lbs (1400 fps) which is at least twice the power of a pathetic 380. At such speeds, the jhp does expand in flesh. Animal tests prove this.