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Marchers urge Davis to support driver's licenses for undocumented aliens
North County Times ^ | 6/22/03 | EDWARD SIFUENTES

Posted on 06/22/2003 7:49:44 PM PDT by One_American

EDWARD SIFUENTES
Staff Writer

ESCONDIDO ---- A group of about 200 people marched to the Department of Motor Vehicles offices in Escondido on Saturday, but most of them don't have access to the services it provides.

The largely Latino and undocumented crowd were chanting loudly and carrying signs in support of a bill making its way through the state Legislature that would grant illegal immigrants the ability to apply for California-issued driver's licenses and identification cards.

"This would be a benefit to everyone, because it would mean safer roads," said Gustavo Munguia, who organized the march.

Munguia and others have organized several similar demonstrations throughout North County in recent years urging the governor to support licenses for undocumented immigrants.

Gov. Gray Davis has rejected several such bills.

Many of the demonstrators said they were unlicensed but drove regularly out of necessity to work, to doctor's appointments, to pick up their children at school and to do other family chores.

"We need the opportunity to drive legally," said Rolando Campos, of Solana Beach. "We all need to be able to drive."

Campos, who walked among the other marchers with his daughter, said he has been ticketed and jailed for driving without a license.

Men, women and children marched during the three-hour demonstration that began at the city's Grape Day Park along Broadway Avenue and continued to the DMV office and City Hall. Many in the group were carrying signs stating: "Without a license, we are a risk to other drivers."

State Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, authored this year's Senate Bill 60, which would allow people who do not have legal status in the country to be eligible to apply for a state driver's license or identification card. The bill also would permit license applicants to submit a federal taxpayer identification number rather than the required social security number Californians must provide to obtain a driver's license.

Supporters of licenses for undocumented immigrants say giving them driver's licenses will make roads safer because they will be required to take driver's exams and have auto insurance. Critics contend such a policy would in effect reward illegal immigrants, encourage more illegal immigration and diminish national security.

Since 2000, Cedillo has introduced several bills that would give some immigrants licenses and each has failed to get the governor's approval because of concerns about national security.

"The tragedy of Sept. 11 made it abundantly clear that the driver's license is more than just a license to drive," Davis wrote in his veto message last year's version of the bill. "Unfortunately, a driver's license was in the hands of terrorists who attacked America that fateful day."

In 2001, Cedillo withdrew an earlier version of the bill after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the East Coast. When he brought the bill back, it included several security provisions such as required finger printing and criminal background checks for immigrants applying for the licenses.

Munguia said security is not the issue, but rather that Davis is simply unwilling to give immigrants the privilege of licenses.

"The Assembly and the Senate, who represent the people, have passed it, but it is Davis who has refused to sign it," he said.

Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-5426 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; US: California
KEYWORDS: driverslicense; illegalimmigration
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It amazes me how bold illegal immigrants are now getting here in southern California.
1 posted on 06/22/2003 7:49:44 PM PDT by One_American
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To: One_American
Any politician who supports this crazy idea ought to be recalled.
2 posted on 06/22/2003 7:52:06 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: One_American
i've stood in line at that dmv and at the oceanside dmv.

both usually about 90% latinos.
3 posted on 06/22/2003 7:52:10 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is real democracy. /s)
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To: One_American
"This would be a benefit to everyone, because it would mean safer roads,"

Can the illegals read the road signs? Doubt it...

4 posted on 06/22/2003 7:52:47 PM PDT by Libloather (Just spreadin' the luv - can you FEEL it?)
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To: One_American
Is undocumented aliens the new PC euphemism for illegal aliens?
5 posted on 06/22/2003 8:00:38 PM PDT by squidly
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To: squidly
Is undocumented aliens the new PC euphemism for illegal aliens?

The preferred leftist euphemism is "undocumented workers".

For example:

"We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers." -- Libertarian Party Platform

6 posted on 06/22/2003 8:05:34 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: One_American
WHERE WAS INS???
7 posted on 06/22/2003 8:06:40 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: One_American
You mean there in Mexifornia.

Damned traitor politicians that are letting this takeover happen ought to be shot.

8 posted on 06/22/2003 8:09:02 PM PDT by uscit
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To: Roscoe
Why are you afraid of Libertarians? I see you love republicans that enjoy the demise of America.... take 9/11 as an example. You are indifferent about America's call for terrorists.
9 posted on 06/22/2003 8:11:00 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: One_American
Do these drivel-sh*t idiots understand that they are being slow boiled in a pot filled with foreign customs that will take their liberties from from them as soon as the foreign majority takes power?

That ought to be a in few days from right now. Adios America, buenos dias, third world.

10 posted on 06/22/2003 8:13:02 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
WHERE WAS INS???

Good question. When the INS arrested a few illegals a couple weeks ago up in San Luis Obispo the illegals went crazy and started demonstrating and screaming that it was an injustice. The nerve of these people is unbelievable. Just wait a few more years when the crowd that marches on the DMV 2000 or 20,000 and then what?

11 posted on 06/22/2003 8:18:34 PM PDT by One_American
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To: One_American
{We need the opportunity to drive legally," said Rolando Campos, of Solana Beach. "We all need to be able to drive."}

I thought most CA cities accept the Mexican ID cards as valid forms of ID for a variety of social services such as welfare, opening bank accounts, and driving. If Mexican ID cards are valid ID forms, then why the urgent rush for CA driver licenses?
12 posted on 06/22/2003 8:20:11 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: One_American
Take a couple HumVees with belt-fed .50 cal machine guns on top. Announce over a loudspeaker that the crowd must immediate sit down. The INS will call you one by one to check your identification. U.S. citizens will be released to return home. Illegal aliens will be detained and transported by bus to a holding facility in preparation for deportation.
13 posted on 06/22/2003 8:24:26 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: One_American
"This would be a benefit to everyone, because it would mean safer roads," said Gustavo Munguia, who organized the march.

How? They already are driving without licenses, so how does giving them licenses make the roads safer?

14 posted on 06/22/2003 8:27:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Kuksool
I thought most CA cities accept the Mexican ID cards as valid forms of ID for a variety of social services such as welfare, opening bank accounts, and driving. If Mexican ID cards are valid ID forms, then why the urgent rush for CA driver licenses?

Because they know all states accept driver's licenses of other states as proof of legal residency and citizenship and also because it's all you need to make it over the legal ports of entry when coming back from a visit to Mexico. You can be as illegal as you can be.....but with that drivers license, you're going to be passed right on by.

15 posted on 06/22/2003 8:29:34 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: One_American
the illegals went crazy and started demonstrating and screaming that it was an injustice. The nerve of these people is unbelievable. Just wait a few more years when the crowd that marches on the DMV 2000 or 20,000 and then what?

Well, it does make the job easier when they are all in one place. INS can start planning ahead now!

16 posted on 06/22/2003 8:34:14 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Kuksool
Just another step in the orchestrated plan by the Mexican government and aided by anti-American politicians sympathetic to the cause, to support Mexico's terminally corrupt system. They will circumvent our immigration laws and make the 9 million illegal aliens here legal residents. After all, if these illegals were back home they might upset the nice little apple-cart down there that keeps the light skinned minority in power while the rest of the citizens are kept under the boot. And why not have the American taxpayer foot the bill.
17 posted on 06/22/2003 8:36:29 PM PDT by One_American
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To: One_American
It's kind of funny - over at the Free State Project web discussion board, we're talking about how we'd go about repealing drivers licensing and license plates, and firing everyone at DMV.
18 posted on 06/22/2003 8:53:36 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: JackelopeBreeder; madfly; Sabertooth
ping
19 posted on 06/22/2003 9:01:37 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: One_American
"We need the opportunity to drive legally"

Really? You mean someone who broke into our country illegally cares about driving legally?

20 posted on 06/22/2003 9:08:14 PM PDT by sangoo
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To: One_American
and make the 9 million illegal aliens here legal residents

After which, through the "family reunification" features of the 1965 Immigration Act, approximately 44 million Mexicans would then be eligible to apply to come here legally. After which, they would, quite simply, control the country as the single largest voting bloc.

Big families, ya know.

21 posted on 06/22/2003 9:14:02 PM PDT by Regulator (Freedom apparently means that the citizens of the country next door are free to vote us out of ours)
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To: One_American
It amazes me how bold illegal immigrants are now getting here in southern California.

Well, you give them free housing, food, health care, etc. and they start believing that they really are somebody to be reckoned with.

22 posted on 06/22/2003 9:33:52 PM PDT by sangoo
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To: One_American
"This would be a benefit to everyone, because it would mean safer roads," said Gustavo Munguia, who organized the march.

Rounding up the illegal invaders and deporting them would be a better way for making safer roads, less crime and reduce the drain on our economy.

I'll refrain from getting started on the impact on litter and noise pollution...

23 posted on 06/22/2003 9:41:53 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: One_American
The largely Latino and undocumented crowd were chanting loudly and carrying signs in support of a bill making its way through the state Legislature that would grant illegal immigrants the ability to apply for California-issued driver's licenses and identification cards.

"This would be a benefit to everyone, because it would mean safer roads," said Gustavo Munguia, who organized the march.


Of course, because everyone knows that once you get your license, you automatically drive safely.
24 posted on 06/22/2003 9:43:27 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Buckeroo
Roscoe is a mouth-breather. Pay no attention to the little man.
25 posted on 06/22/2003 9:44:44 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: One_American
If that passes, I hope they check for proof of insurance. When they don't have California insurance, they should get their cars confiscated.
26 posted on 06/22/2003 9:48:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: billistic
Vomit-inducing PING.
27 posted on 06/22/2003 9:48:49 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: One_American
In 2001, Cedillo withdrew an earlier version of the bill after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the East Coast. When he brought the bill back, it included several security provisions such as required finger printing and criminal background checks for immigrants applying for the licenses.

Oh, yeah...criminal background checks for people who admit that they are illegal immigrants.

I can't believe I just read that sentence. I feel like Alice in Wonderland.

BTFW, to the best of my remembrance, all of the 9/11 hijihadjackers kept their noses clean until the day they slaughtered three thousand -- except certain ones' violation of IMMIGRATION LAW!

28 posted on 06/22/2003 9:51:09 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Buckeroo
The open borders LPers are Davis allies.
29 posted on 06/22/2003 10:02:31 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: One_American
I'm old enough to remember how flabbergasted my father and I were in the 60's when Welfare Mothers marched on Lansing (Michigan) to demand the State end requiring unwed mothers to reveal the names of the fathers. They won. Working taxpayers lost. It's been a downhill spiral since.

I predict the undocumented aliens will win on this issue, and once again California will fertilize the roots of its own destruction and through shear numbers pull the rest of the country down with it.

Regards, Lenny

30 posted on 06/22/2003 10:07:53 PM PDT by lennydetroit
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To: One_American
Many in the group were carrying signs stating: "Without a license, we are a risk to other drivers."

What a Joke. As if Illegal Aliens care about the risk they pose to other drivers. They drive anyway and their usual response after an accident is to flee. All this whining bunch cares about is robbing America blind.

31 posted on 06/22/2003 10:53:07 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: sangoo
Really? You mean someone who broke into our country illegally cares about driving legally?

Well, you see, we do a better job of enforcing the motor vehicle laws than we do of enforcing the border. (Probably because the locals do the MV enforcing, not the feds) So, the primary risk of getting into trouble with the authorities here is from being an unlicensed driver. Once that's solved, clear sailing!

32 posted on 06/22/2003 11:45:16 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: One_American
After all, if these illegals were back home they might upset the nice little apple-cart down there that keeps the light skinned minority in power while the rest of the citizens are kept under the boot.

The best thing that could happen for Mexico right now is a bloody revolution. I feel it's time for us Americans to start up a fund to buy weapons for impoverished Mexican citizens who are tired of their do-nothing elitist government leaders. The armed Mexican people can then form a militia and march on Mexico City and carry out an attack on the Mexican Congress and the Presidential Palace. Power to the Mexican people!

33 posted on 06/22/2003 11:48:33 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: One_American
LINKS OF INTEREST:

HOUSE.gov - Tancredo: "TANCREDO WARNS POWELL OF IMPENDING TIDAL WAVE OF FOREIGN ID CARDS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS" (June 12, 2003) (Read More...)

NY NEWS.com (THE JOURNAL NEWS): "ID CHECKS IRK IMMIGRATION ACTIVISTS" (June 8, 2003) (Read More...)

HUMAN EVENTS Online.com: "TREASURY ENDORSES ACCEPTING MEXICAN ID GIVEN TO ILLEGAL ALIENS" by Joseph A. D'Agostino (May 26, 2003) (Read More...)

34 posted on 06/23/2003 1:56:34 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: One_American
I suppose it would be asking too much for the damned INS to have been waiting for them and deport their collective CRIMINAL asses back to Me-he-co.
35 posted on 06/23/2003 2:03:50 AM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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Many in the group were carrying signs stating: "Without a license, we are a risk to other drivers."

Well, let's see... You are already a criminal because you are here without any kind of visa. I suppose becoming even more of a criminal by driving with out a driver's license isn't that big of a deal.

Deport the criminal aliens and close the borders NOW!!!

36 posted on 06/23/2003 2:10:15 AM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: One_American

Hal Turner show: Mexican car signs in Los Angeles "<explitive> You, this is still Mexico."

Remember the Bear Flag revolt!


37 posted on 06/23/2003 2:16:21 AM PDT by risk
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To: One_American
"It amazes me how bold illegal immigrants are now getting here in southern California."

Hell, according to them, YOU are the illegal one.
38 posted on 06/23/2003 6:12:08 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: One_American
Marchers urge Davis to support driver's licenses for undocumented ILLEGAL aliens
39 posted on 06/23/2003 6:15:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Roscoe; Buckeroo; Xenalyte
Roscoe, everything is about Libertarians with you. You remind me of those zealots who turn everything into an abortion issue. You are a broken freakin' record, and if anything, you are making me move TOWARDS the Libertarians.
40 posted on 06/23/2003 6:18:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Lazamataz
Preach it, Brother Laz! Testify!

I suspect Roscoe was dumped by his Libertarian girlfriend, and that's made him bitter.
41 posted on 06/23/2003 6:33:44 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: One_American
Why force them to live in America? Why not just let them vote from Mexico?
42 posted on 06/23/2003 8:20:51 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: One_American
Why force them to live in America? Why not just let them vote from Mexico?
43 posted on 06/23/2003 8:20:54 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: Libloather
The illegals are not even literate in their own language, let alone ours.
44 posted on 06/23/2003 8:22:23 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: Xenalyte; Lazamataz
not all LP'ers agree with the open borders platform of our party.

Laz glad you can see through the hype.

regards...

45 posted on 06/23/2003 9:06:19 AM PDT by bc2
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To: bc2
You might want to drop a line Roscoe's way. Any time I mention that I might not agree with that plank, he puts his fingers in his ears and yells "LA LA LA, LA LA LA . . ."
46 posted on 06/23/2003 9:07:18 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: One_American
Well, I suggest that INS send some agents to these demonstrations and start arresting the illegals.
47 posted on 06/23/2003 9:09:23 AM PDT by beachn4fun (You can't convince a liberal of the facts...even if you smacked 'em in the face with it......)
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To: uscit
Damned traitor politicians that are letting this takeover happen ought to be shot.

I couldn't agree more.

48 posted on 06/23/2003 9:10:19 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: One_American
NO...DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS...
49 posted on 06/23/2003 9:10:39 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: Xenalyte
he's caught in a never-ending loop of damning the LP for their hands-off stance on abortion, and his refusal to admit that his hypocritical Republicans talk real nice with their platform, but are no action, with their abundance of pro-death candidates.
50 posted on 06/23/2003 9:41:16 AM PDT by bc2
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