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Already Stumbling, Germany Now Faces Threat of Deflation
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Monday, June 23, 2003 | G. THOMAS SIMS

Posted on 06/23/2003 5:22:38 AM PDT by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PFULLENDORF, Germany -- The price of a nice kitchen cabinet has been falling for months. But German consumers aren't buying. That is dire news for a supplier called Alno AG, its hometown here -- and the rest of the world's third-largest economy.


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1 posted on 06/23/2003 5:22:38 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: TroutStalker
Interesting article. Oh well. Maybe if they had helped us out when we asked them, then we'd be able to help them out here somehow. Such a shame...
2 posted on 06/23/2003 5:31:28 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Happy trading with the French (they haven't any money, either).
3 posted on 06/23/2003 5:45:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TroutStalker
Germans can't spend what they don't have.

Their government is taxing it all away...

And then they go and make us angry when nothing was being asked of them...

Let them live with their choices.
4 posted on 06/23/2003 5:46:04 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
At least we know they're far too weak to start another World War this time.
5 posted on 06/23/2003 5:46:27 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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To: TroutStalker

SCHADENFREUDE


6 posted on 06/23/2003 5:51:35 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (To smash the ugly face of Socialism is our mission.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Interesting article. Oh well. Maybe if they had helped us out when we asked them, then we'd be able to help them out here somehow. Such a shame...

Unfortunately, we are hard pressed to help ourselves! In fact, helping ourselves will take a further toll on our trading partners (including Germany).

After the Fed plays it's cardtrick this week (dropping interest rates yet again), they will be left with their "unconventional strategies". In fact, if they drop 50 basis points to 0.75% many money market funds will be forced to liquidate or just accept operational losses (not to mention that "savers" are being rewarded with a negative return on their funds even now and will lose even more with a Fed funds rate of 0.75%!

We are in uncharted economic waters here! Remember, we did not fully pull out of the Depression until industrial production was massively increased to support WWII!

Economic cardtricks by the Fed had better work!

7 posted on 06/23/2003 5:53:51 AM PDT by ExSES
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To: Future Snake Eater; Eric in the Ozarks; DB
Two things jumped out at me about this article:

Last year, Alno, one of Germany's biggest makers of made-to-order kitchen cabinets, cut prices by 11% to celebrate its 75th anniversary. Sales dropped 9%. In the past year, it has trimmed 28% of its staff, or more than 450 workers

I thought it was practically impossible to shed workers in Germany; that once hired, you were saddled with that hire for life.

"In the ads, you see only 'rebate,' 'rebate,' 'rebate,' " says Alno's chairman, Frank Gebert.

I was also under the impression that putting goods on sale was verboten, with the exception of one annual inventory reduction sale.

Is anyone familiar with the specifics on either of these?

8 posted on 06/23/2003 5:54:39 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: ExSES
What you said:

The Wall Street Journal

June 23, 2003

MARKET MOVERS

Fed's Rate Decision May Pose
Threat to Recovery in Europe

By MICHAEL R. SESIT
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

When U.S. stock markets rally, the world usually rallies, too. In the months ahead, though, that seems far less certain.

Investors around the globe will focus on whether the Federal Reserve cuts U.S. interest rates -- and by how much -- on Wednesday. Many expect the Federal Open Market Committee to ease the benchmark federal-funds rate of 1.25% either by one-quarter or one-half percentage point.

The U.S. market has factored in a cut of 0.25-percentage point, analysts say, but a 0.50-percentage point cut could give U.S. stocks a well-timed boost, fueling a rally that has seen the Dow Jones Industrial Average rise 22% since mid-March.

The big concern for Europeans is that if the Fed cuts rates, the gap between U.S. and European interest-rate levels will increase, further weakening the dollar and strengthening the euro, which makes European exports more expensive on international markets. In that case, the effect of a stronger euro could overwhelm the short-term boost a recovering U.S. economy -- and rallying Wall Street -- could offer Europe. Already, analysts say, European stocks look like a risky bet; their riskiness likely will increase in the months ahead if the Fed cuts rates.

The very fact that the Fed is easing again will send a strong message to the U.S. stock and bond markets that it wants to ensure U.S. economic growth has firmly taken hold before it raises interest rates.

"I expect the FOMC to issue a statement that sustains market expectations that the Fed will keep the liquidity spigot open" until a solid expansion is under way, says Alan Levenson, chief economist at T. Rowe Price Associates in Baltimore.

European and Asian markets, which also have rallied during the past three months, could benefit from that stance in the long term, if lower interest rates ensure the U.S. resurgence takes hold and spreads recovery around the world.

"Traditionally when the Fed steps on the gas, we all get pulled along," says Rick Lacaille, chief investment officer of the United Kingdom unit of State Street Global Advisors in London. But he says growth and markets in the 12-nation euro zone are restrained because the European Central Bank has been slower to cut rates and because of the strong euro.

"If the currency were not a problem, stronger U.S. growth would help Europe," he says. "But it would have to be awfully strong growth to overcome the strength of the euro."

Though it has backed off a bit during the past few days, the euro has been on a long-term tear. From about $1.11 in late April, the currency rose to a record $1.1932 on May 27. On Friday, it stood at $1.1607, still 11% higher than when it began the year and 30% higher than the start of 2002.

Europe has to cut interest rates further, says John Ip, an economist at Morley Fund Management in London. Growth is slow; inflation is decelerating rapidly; and European earnings will disappoint. "If the Fed cuts and the dollar falls, the euro goes up and European exports just tank," he says. "You can forget about Germany."

In Asia, meanwhile, a U.S. economic boost could help China and the smaller economies, and support their stock markets. A weaker dollar could make exports from these countries more competitive because many of them directly or indirectly peg their currencies to the dollar. But analysts say China is becoming an ever-increasing influence on these smaller countries, which could lessen the direct impact of a U.S. recovery.

Money managers say the future of Japan's stock market rests more on the outcome of the political debate in that country on how to solve the country's longstanding banking crisis than on U.S. stimulus, money managers say.

Since mid-March, measured in dollars, Morgan Stanley Capital International's Europe index has rallied 30%, its World index has jumped 25% and the MSCI Japan index climbed 13%.

In local currency terms -- or after the effect of the weak dollar has been removed -- the rallies have been less impressive. Since the start of the year, the MCSI Europe is up 5.8% and the MSCI Japan is up 3.3%, compared with a rise of 13% for the Standard & Poor's 500 index in the U.S.

The Fed's decision will tell investors and business executives a lot about what the U.S. central bank thinks about the strength of the nascent U.S. economic recovery and inflation -- or more specifically the threat of deflation, or falling prices.

"Even though we are all looking at the same data as the Fed, the policy response is still a wild card," says John Normand, a strategist at J.P. Morgan in London. "And that policy decision by the Fed will drive stock and bond markets for the next several months."

Most analysts doubt Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and his fellow policy makers will leave the federal-funds rate unchanged. "Since early May, Chairman Greenspan and other Fed officials have talked openly about the desirability of 'taking out insurance' against the risk of deflation," says Nicholas P. Sargen, chief investment officer at Fort Washington Investment Advisors in Cincinnati.

This jawboning "convinced investors that the Fed would ease at the upcoming meeting and that it would not raise interest rates until well after recovery was entrenched," he adds. If the Fed were to leave rates unchanged, "the stock market would sell off, big time," Mr. Sargen says.

But as long as the Fed lowers rates, the cut will reinforce the point "that in terms of proactive policy, the U.S. stands way ahead of its European or Asian, specifically Japanese, counterparts," says Matthew Merritt, a global equity strategist at Citigroup Smith Barney in London. "That says clearly if there is going to be a pickup later this year, it is implausible that the U.S. won't be the leader."

A rate cut, though, isn't without risk for the U.S. stock market as well, analysts caution. A half-point cut, while expected by many to give the U.S. stock market a boost, could backfire if the market concludes the Fed thinks the U.S. economy is in worse shape than it has been willing to acknowledge so far.

Friday's Market Activity

Stocks ended mixed after a host of forces conspired to halt a blue-chip advance led by two Generals.

General Motors gained 52 cents, or 1.4%, to $38.59, after the auto maker's announcement of steps to improve its finances1. Prudential upgraded the stock to buy from sell and boosted its price target to $45 from $29, saying GM's earnings likely will get stronger by 2005.

General Electric rose 15 cents, or 0.5%, to 30.01, after the conglomerate backed both its second-quarter earnings target2 of between 37 cents and 39 cents a share, and its full-year estimate of $1.55 to $1.70 a share -- one session after Wall Street firms lowered their 2003 earnings views on the company.

After a 97-point advance earlier in the session, the Dow industrials retreated to finish up just 21.22 points, or 0.2%, at 9200.75, and finished the week higher by 83.63 points, or 0.9%.

Several disappointing profit reports and outlooks took a toll, with Solectron down 68 cents, or 16%, to 3.71, after the electronics-manufacturing services company posted a fiscal third-quarter loss of $3.74 a share, compared with a loss of 35 cents a share a year ago. Standard & Poor's placed the company's debt ratings on credit watch with negative implications.

Halliburton slid 1.27, or 5.2%, to 23.16, after the energy-services and construction firm slashed its second-quarter earnings goal3, blaming mounting costs of a delayed offshore-drilling project in Brazil.

Several home builders buckled, with KB Home down 5.70, or 8.1%, to 64.25, as analysts questioned the company's rationale for issuing a "conservative" 2003 earnings estimate after beating Wall Street's second-quarter earnings estimate by 18.3%.

Dow-industrial component Procter & Gamble edged up 82 cents, or 0.9%, to 91.23, after saying it hopes to resume paying dividends to shareholders in the later part of 2005.

California utility PG&E rose 2.11, or 11%, to 21.51, after a unit agreed in principle to a $12 billion reorganization plan.

-- Cynthia Schreiber contributed to this article.

Write to Michael R. Sesit at michael.sesit@wsj.com4

URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB105611429520383400,00.html

9 posted on 06/23/2003 5:58:09 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: ExSES
I wish I could elaborate further on your post, but it seems to me that most of the time Alan Greenspan and the Fed are dealing with Ouija boards, cauldrons full of bubbling brew, and casting incantations. There seems to be a serious lack of science when dealing with the economy, it seems mostly to be of the black arts.
10 posted on 06/23/2003 6:18:09 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I'm stationed over here in Germany, (although the tour and my Army life come to a close in a few months) and I visited a site in Germany, a rare site indeed, that was a huge war monument. It was the Germania monument in Rudeshiem on the Rhine. Impressive to say the least.

It celebrates the victory in the Franco-Prussian war and the unification of Germany in 1871. Any one with German blood would be stirred by this mighty monument. And then I looked around and reflected on the average German I saw before me and work with daily. They are dead. They are a souless nation with no belief in the superiority of their culture versus anyone else. They celebrate deviant lifestyles and are taxed to death to pay for lazy immigrants and even lazier welfare sucking citizens. We won't be seeing any violence from them, any time in the next few millenia.

11 posted on 06/23/2003 6:20:18 AM PDT by Tin-Legions
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To: TroutStalker
I don't think that's really the case over there. I imagine their government pretty much takes care of everything for you. IIRC, isn't Germany practically a welfare state these days?
12 posted on 06/23/2003 6:20:57 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....if germany falls apart this american will just yawn...they have been working against us for years and it will serve them right ..they did it to themself!
13 posted on 06/23/2003 6:27:18 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: TroutStalker
Sometime back there was a thread on FR about deflation and someone(can't recall the name) was very secure in his imagined knowledge and informed me that deflation is nothing to worry about because when prices rise people buy less and when prices fall people buy more. He could not have been more wrong, what actually happens is that when prices fall anyone with any brains is going to put off purchasing anything until he really needs it. After all why would you buy something you don't really have a strong need for if you believe you can buy it for less as month from now?
14 posted on 06/23/2003 6:33:18 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: Future Snake Eater
There seems to be a serious lack of science when dealing with the economy, it seems mostly to be of the black arts.

I don't remember who authored the phrase "Dismal Science" to describe economics but, he was right on target!

The various economic models all work well sometimes (even a broken clock tells the correct time twice each day). Unfortunately, human behavior is always the "wildcard" which shapes economic outcomes!

Diversification is the watchword (including precious metals)! And, strive to be as debt-free as possible (at least until you see bigtime inflation coming).

15 posted on 06/23/2003 6:34:31 AM PDT by ExSES
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To: TroutStalker
Sorry, no sympathy here, for the back-stabbing krauts or frogs. Screw 'em all. Let their economies freefall. Close our military bases and move them into Poland and 'the new europe' countries. We help our friends.

The 'old europe' is now subject to "benign neglect". Courtesy of The Red, White and Blue.
16 posted on 06/23/2003 6:43:22 AM PDT by Hinoki Cypress
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To: Future Snake Eater
Interesting article. Oh well. Maybe if they had helped us out when we asked them, then we'd be able to help them out here somehow. Such a shame...

I think it’s only fair that we help them as they wanted to help us.

The US certainly should send over a couple “inspectors” to help out our friends in Germany in their hour of need.

17 posted on 06/23/2003 6:56:31 AM PDT by RJL
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The US certainly should send over a couple “inspectors” to help out our friends in Germany in their hour of need.

HA! Yeah, we could send over some inspectors in a few years, then have them report on worldwide television that they "have found no evidence of a German economy, so therefore it must never have existed. This is a fool's errand, and the U.S. resents the requests for an inspection team."

18 posted on 06/23/2003 6:59:32 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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To: Tin-Legions
We won't be seeing any violence from them, any time in the next few millenia.

They always look just like this, right before they get liquored-up, and cross the Rhine.

The Germans can turn ugly on a dime.
19 posted on 06/23/2003 7:21:52 AM PDT by horse_doc
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To: RipSawyer
A lot of that depends on the deflation rate. Will I put off a purchase for a year to save 1%? No, if I need or want it now I'll buy it. Will I put off a purchase for a year to save 10%? Yes, I probably would unless I really needed it now.
20 posted on 06/23/2003 7:24:48 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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