Y Chromosomes Rewrite British History

Nature ^ | 6-19-2003 | Hannah Hoag

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Maybe I'm not a WASP afterall.

[ElkGroveDan]

I find this science totally fascinating. I really hope that with time it will become easier and more widespread (meaning cheaper) to obtain, exchange and compare DNA data, the way we now exchange genealogy files.

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If you want to read something really different, read this:

Arthur, America And The Comet

[ElkGroveDan]

I find this science totally fascinating. I really hope that with time it will become easier and more widespread (meaning cheaper) to obtain, exchange and compare DNA data, the way we now exchange genealogy files.

[MattinNJ]

btt

[Reeses]

One of the things special about the Y chromosome is that it is passed from father to son unmodified. The mother does not have any Y chromosome information to contribute. Because of that you can trace father linage very far into the past, assuming of course you can get DNA samples.

[AntiGuv]

Yep! "It would be nice to see the whole world surveyed in this kind of detail, but it's expensive and there are other priorities." Probably sooner than later, it should become cheap and reach completion as a matter of course. I'm excited! ;^)

[r9etb]

Well, I guess it's a pretty decent confirmation of the demonstrated human ability to tell when somebody "looks English." There's that sort of longish facial structure, and something about the mouth (not just bad teeth).

Churchill made an off-hand remark about that physical characteristic in his "History of the English-Speaking People."

[trebb]

Maybe my ex had it right when she called me a Basquard...

[Constitution Day]

Neat! BTTT

[blam]

"I really hope that with time it will become easier and more widespread (meaning cheaper) to obtain, exchange and compare DNA data, the way we now exchange genealogy files. "

I agree. In fact, I think there is a tremendous business opportunity here. The person/business who has the largest DNA 'library' and a cheap/fast comparsion method will be worth millions, IMO.
The volume part of the business will be comparing individuals and selling geneology lineages. As you obtain more and more samples, previously unknown human migratory patterns will emerge and that information can be sold.

You could in effect rewrite human prehistory. Researchers would come to you for specific information contained in your 'library.'

[blam]

"Churchill made an off-hand remark about that physical characteristic in his "History of the English-Speaking People."

Yup. Read that years ago and could never figure out who were the 'long faced' people he referred to.(?)

[blam]

"Maybe my ex had it right when she called me a Basquard..."

Are they related to the sumbitches? (We could be related, lol)

[Sabertooth]

The Y chromosomes of men from Wales and Ireland resemble those of the Basques. Some believe that the Basques, from the border of France and Spain, are the original Europeans.

Any bets on the subject of Ray Capt's next opus?

Heck, it might even be 36 pages of scholarship (including covers).

"In a hidden library in a forgotten catacomb beneath an abandoned rectory behind Westminster Abbey, lies an ancient Gaelic scroll inscribed in Hebrew cuneiform..."

[alnitak]

Goldstein's team collected DNA samples from more than 1,700 men living in towns across England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales

That doesn't sound like a very large sample. There must be at least 50,000 settlements in the UK. Seems like a pretty tenuous basis to start rewriting history.

[elbucko]

...ability to tell when somebody "looks English." There's that sort of longish facial structure,...

Like "Mr. Bean".

[blam]

"Any bets on the subject of Ray Capt's next opus? "

Yup. Don't be suprised to see some ideas discussed on FR contained in the book.

The English and Welsh Are Races Apart

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

I think "horse-faced" is more descriptive somehow.

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Ancestry Of Europeans Traced To Middle East

[r9etb]

could never figure out who were the 'long faced' people he referred to.(?)

I have an old copy of Life's Picture History of World War II wherein there's a picture of a British air raid warden during the blitz (looked, but couldn't find it on-line). He'd be your quintessential "long faced person."