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To: kosta50; Destro
Time for Greece to take back Northern Epirus and let the Albanians have the poor southern half of Kosovo.

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But if Kosovo goes, I think RS needs to leave as well, along with NorthernEpirus, and so on...all bets are off!

Fellas, don't you think you're opening Pandora's box? Changing borders based on ethnicity can lead to lots of things--like Vojvodina incorporated into Hungary or an independent Kurdistan--and just think of what it would be like in Africa! Plus, isn't that an invitation to ethnic warfare or cleansing or discrimination? If borders are based on ethnicity, some will be tempted to artificially change the ethnic balance in order to support more expansive ideas of their borders. We've already seen that happen--we don't want to encourage it.

BTW, northern Epirus/southern Albania has very few Greeks left--most departed soon after communism fell--I don't think that Greece would want to incorporate a very poor, Albanian dominated province into their country. In fact, there are certainly more Albanians living (counting both legal & illegal presence)in southern Epirus/Chameria than Greeks in Albania--changing the border based on ethnicity could backfire there!

9 posted on 06/25/2003 8:43:40 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Pandora's box has already been open....
10 posted on 06/25/2003 10:35:43 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: mark502inf
By the way, my pint about Northern Epirus was designed to show the dangers in redrawing borders. If Kosovo goes--so goes war.
12 posted on 06/25/2003 10:42:58 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: mark502inf
So, on what basis does one draw borders, Mark? Friggin' communist cartography from 1943? History, such as in the case of Israel? If history is a valid claim, then what are we doing supporting Albanian terrorists in Kosovo? If Kurds have no rights to self-determination, then no other people should claim that right either.

What is a "right," Mark? What gives us the "right" to determine what is right and what is wrong? If ethnicity is not good enough for an ethnically divided Balkans, and history is not good enough for a historically endowed Balkans, what is the criterion for drawing the borders after they have ben redrawn in violation of the Helsinki Agreement with our own blessing?

Is it the "free" world to keep people imprisoned in countries they don't consider their own? Under regimes they consider foreign? What determined our own borders, Mark? Was it ehtnicity? Was it history? Was it perhpass some belief in "Destiny" imparted by the Almighty? Or was it just sheer force? We took what we wanted when we could?

What is the measure of this world as to who gets a state and who doesn't, where the borders lie, and when does history constitute a "right" to anything?

13 posted on 06/25/2003 3:31:35 PM PDT by kosta50
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