What Goes Around Comes Around - The Only Clear Winner in This SCO Versus IBM Case is Microsoft

PBS ^ | JUNE 19, 2003 | Robert X. Cringely

[Dominic Harr]

Have a good night and God bless.

Thanks for the opportunity.

[Golden Eagle]

All 'Java' is "from Sun", including J2EE.

DUUUUH. And it is of course the future of Java, hence blowing your arguments to bits, AGAIN!

[Golden Eagle]

Have a good night and God bless.

Same to you and yours. Night all.

[Golden Eagle]

Have a good night and God bless.

Same to you and yours. Night all.

[Dominic Harr]

DUUUUH.

That statement betrayed great ignorance.

Good night. See ya manana, I'm sure. (Oh, I used a foreign word -- that makes me a commie pirate pinko preppie . . . um, where was I?

[Golden Eagle]

It was only in response to you arguing back the very point I was trying to make. J2EE is Sun, and is the latest version of the framework, not some open source fantasy of yours.

[Dominic Harr]

J2EE is Sun, and is the latest version of the framework, not some open source fantasy of yours.

It is owned by Sun, controlled by the 'Java Community Process' -- the developers and users.

And all the source code for the Java language is 'open-source', you can see the source code for every single api. It all comes with the standard download.

[Golden Eagle]

It all comes with the standard download...

From Sun, of course.

Gold Eagle Out.

[Dominic Harr]

From Sun, of course.

It is owned by Sun, controlled by the 'Java Community Process' -- the developers and users.

[Golden Eagle]

Fine, Sun is a US company, who I support. If/when linux is owned by a US company, such as SCO, I will consider supporting it. Right now, it's not. Hence, "foriegn". Simple concepts, to most.

[Dominic Harr]

Right now, it's not. Hence, "foriegn". Simple concepts, to most.

Oh, yeah. It's simple enough.

I've heard it all before.

"Anyone who uses/works on/even thinks about Linux is a foreign commie pirate thief who smells bad and dresses funny".

Yeah, got it.

[Bush2000]

Dude, it's how we *won* control of the market. Java dominates web development now. Java *is* the standard. Because of the non-proprietary nature of it, and because the OS is just one component, just a tool like a hammer.

Too bad that incompatibilities between JVM versions mean "write several times, debug several times..."

[Bush2000]

When you take a moment to think about this, some day, and realize what vendor lock-in means, you'll understand why you've failed so miserably in this discussion.

If Linux gives you the ability to avoid vendor-lockin -- and you've made clear that that's all that matters -- how come you're still using Windows to do all of your Java development, Harr? Isn't Linux good enough? Yeah, yeah, I know ... it's not a fact that you like to talk about. You'll probably ignore this post, too. That's the thing that cracks me up about you, Black Knight. You keep losing limbs -- and yet somehow, you keep getting up and asking for more. Well, come and get it, Windows boy. You talk a good game but those of us who know your BS understand that you can't function without Windows. And that says more about the actual utility and functionality found within Windows than anything you have to say about Linux...

[Bush2000]

,I>Oh, I don't know -- the buzz now is that study that showed that 1/2 of all people migrating from VB are moving to Java and not VB.NET. Java is the standard, and growing.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Quoting some Java hack at SunOne...

[Bush2000]

Wow, you really are drinking the anything, but Microsoft kool-aid. Last I checked Java is a Sun controlled product. They can change it at their will and they can force all current implementations to update or lose their license. If Java was a standard as TCP/IP, then yes I'd agree, but JAVA=Vendor Lock-in just as much as Windows does.

Yep. Java ain't open source, despite what Harr would like anyone to believe. I can't take the J2EE sources, modify them, and republish them under GPL. Sun would never tolerate that. So what does that yield? A big, fat, hairy vendor-lockin with Sun.

[Dominic Harr]

If Linux gives you the ability to avoid vendor-lockin -- and you've made clear that that's all that matters -- how come you're still using Windows to do all of your Java development, Harr?

What are you smoking?

I've said here in several threads -- I deploy to both Windows and HP-UX, and I do have one departmental web server and one test app server running Red Hat and Apache.

I am using Linux. A little more each day, in fact.

As is the rest of the market. Hehehe.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Gold Eagle Out.

Scat. Scat. Scat.

[HiTech RedNeck]

If you want Linux to be clean, then you should support SCO's efforts to make it clean.

SCO's only efforts are to take Linux over lock stock and barrel, period.

That would only solve the SCO IP issue. That wouldn't solve the issue of anybody else's IP being in Linux, and even worse it would just be a reverse stealing of all the work that the Linux volunteers have put into Linux for years as a gift, not to SCO, but to the world.

[HiTech RedNeck]

</hides a snicker>

Actually I'd prefer a GPL, open source snicker.

[Golden Eagle]

That wouldn't solve the issue of anybody else's IP being in Linux, and even worse it would just be a reverse stealing of all the work that the Linux volunteers have put into Linux for years as a gift, not to SCO, but to the world.

Boo Hoo. They should have realized the obviously illogical license they were designing to before they poured their bleeding hearts into it.