Bush's Hispanic strategy comes unraveled. (A Look Back on the Failed History of Hispandering)

The National Review ^ | April 8, 2002 | John O’Sullivan

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I could give you drama about my own Catholic experience. But let's look at the facts. Italy and France. Try those five words there. Will they work? Heck, you're online. Give it a try right now. Good luck. They are dominantly Catholic. You don't stand a chance. In fact, their Catholic faith, it would appear, is driving them away from God. Look at the stats. It appears obvious to me, especially in Italy, the seat of the Vatican. Being close to the Pope hurts their faith, although this Pope is a good man, noted. FReegards....

[JNB]

France has been more or less radically secularised since 1870, when France lost the Franco-Prussian war and Napolean III had to abdicate, and even then, since the French revelution of 1789, the French state and the church have been at odds, and the culture for more than 200 years has been on the path of secularisation.

One reason why Hispanics in the US have been so Democratic/Liberals on many issues is because of the Bishops appointed by Pope Pauil VI under papal Nuncio Abp Jean Jadot were ultra liberal, they are more liberal/secular humanist than Catholic, they hated tradition, they hated Westeren Civilisation. Some of his handywork, such as Cardinal Mahony of LA and Abp Flores of San Antonio, both who have pushed liberalism far more than church teaching, have had a impact, sadly, on the Hispanic vote. Liberation Theology, a theology that caused many Latin Americans to adopt Socilism, and despise anything that was European based, ironically was based off European Secular Humanism, and pushed by Jesuits who largely were born in Europe.

But the day of liberals, even moderates within the Catholic church is coming to a close. Simpily put, the progressive have produced very little in the way of vocations, and the well is running dry. The church is rightfully putting moral issues like abortion, and homosexuality on the front burner again, while finally letting the socialist, anti Westeren Civilisation trash to rot. This change will not happen overnight, the restoration if you will, but it is happening. What is ironic is in the US, the ones who push the liberal, anti Westeren Civilisation trash within the church are almost all white.

[republicman]

Pandering, appeasing, and "reaching" out NEVER works, and in fact these staretegies usually backfire.

Why the republicans never seem to learn this I just can't understand.

[mathurine]

Bush screws veterans, who generally have supported him, and sucks up to illegals, who don't know or care who is the President of the United States, or why. They won't vote for him because they can't, and wouldn't necessarily do so if they could. The veterans are sick of broken promises and they are going to stick it to George W. unless the opposition candidate is unworldly in some major way.

[WRhine]

Republican hopes for major gains in the Hispanic electorate are without foundation. Democrats lead the GOP by large margins in every Hispanic group except Cuban-Americans. There is no sign that any significant group of Latino voters is "in play."

Like DUH! Do Republican actually need consultants to tell them the Obvious.

Because Hispanic voters lean to the Democrats on economic and social grounds, the GOP would have to change almost all its policies (on taxes, welfare, regulation, labor law) to have any hope of attracting Hispanic crossovers in the long term.

Ya Think? Anyway, this is where Bush is coming from and where is he going. The only other rational explanation for Bush's shameless pandering to Mexicans is that Bush and his advisors are all morons and I don't believe that for a second. Bush & Co. plan to take the GOP much further to the left and any conservative that doesn't like it can hit the road. JMO.

[WRhine]

The INS estimated in February 2003 that there were 432,000 illegal aliens residing in Illinois.

There is a lot more than that here in IL. Chicago alone probably has somewhere around 400,000 illegals. In the last 2 years there has been an explosion of illegal aliens out where I live some 50 miles from Chicago. It's prevalent in all our neighboring communities. The INS better do another estimate.

[WRhine]

They don't know much about government handouts and are skeptical.

They don't uh? Well, they seem pretty tuned in about government handouts here in the Chicago Area. Just about every Illegal I see at the grocery store breaks out food stamps to the cashier. And they don't look like they are hurting in the clothing and transportation categories either.

[Joe Hadenuf]

The only other rational explanation for Bush's shameless pandering to Mexicans is that Bush and his advisors are all morons and I don't believe that for a second. Bush & Co. plan to take the GOP much further to the left and any conservative that doesn't like it can hit the road. JMO.

This would almost be laughable, if it wasn't so damn true.....

[Joe Hadenuf]

There is a lot more than that here in IL. Chicago alone probably has somewhere around 400,000 illegals. In the last 2 years there has been an explosion of illegal aliens out where I live some 50 miles from Chicago. It's prevalent in all our neighboring communities. The INS better do another estimate.

I have got to the point where I have nothing but contempt for the two party cartel. It's all a GD outrage.....

[Joe Hadenuf]

A sustained, unified effort is needed to get Hispanics to vote GOP, 'cause we've already let the Rats get a head start with their plan of indocrination

Huh? LOL!

[Joe Hadenuf]

A sustained, unified effort is needed to get Hispanics to vote GOP, 'cause we've already let the Rats get a head start with their plan of indocrination

Huh? LOL!

[Classicaliberalconservative]

"One can be for sensible immigration reforms without the vitriolic tone"

Thank You

[Kuksool]

{In the last 2 years there has been an explosion of illegal aliens out where I live some 50 miles from Chicago. It's prevalent in all our neighboring communities}

Yup. Drive around the Collar Counties, and you'll see Hispanics doing all the landscaping and fast food jobs. In fact, I currently live in an apartment complex made up of mostly Hispanics.

[Joe Hadenuf]

So, you're correct in that the illegal immigration problem is spreading everywhere. The sad part is that people don't seem to care much about it.

California did something about it and voted and won CA prop 187. Only to be told by the government that our free election was illegal and to F-off.

[WRhine]

Yup. Drive around the Collar Counties, and you'll see Hispanics doing all the landscaping and fast food jobs. In fact, I currently live in an apartment complex made up of mostly Hispanics.

That's what drove me out of the Arlington/Palatine area many years ago. Now, it's out here in McHenry County. Have you have you noticed how many Illegals are now working for road construction companies? Funny, when I travel through Wisconsin I never see this. You know why? The Wisconsin folks by and large make sure their government operates by the rules meaning No Illegal Labor at least on government jobs and they also tend to stick together in a family kind of way. Something that has always been missing in IL.

Like Joe Hadenuf says you can run but you can't hide from this epic invasion. Illegal Immigration is a Cancer on America and we had better start getting some treatment for it soon or the republic is finished.

[judgeandjury]

Also, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (IL-04) is sponsoring a bill to grant amnesty to all illegals.

So, Gutierrez is sponsoring a bill to grant amnesty to his fellow Latinos, the illegal alien ones, huh? I wonder if, when he took his oath of office to serve in Congress, he said something like "I, Luis V. Gutierrez, being an avowed racist, do solemnly swear to do everything within my power as a member of Congress to help my fellow Latinos in any way that I can, and that includes granting amnesty to all Latino illegal aliens."

[BillyBoy]

>> And what percent of Hispanic votes will the GOP get if it adopts the Tancredo strategy of not so subtle denigration and a cold war against Hispanics? One can be for sensible immigration reforms without the vitriolic tone. "Irish need not apply" is not a brilliant election strategy for conservatism <<

Bull. What we are pressing is that the level of NEW Immigrats coming in are lowered back to their pre-1965 levels. This IS "sensibile" immigration reform, in fact, it's the exact same thing the GOP did back in the 1920s and it is overwhemingly popular with the American people. The Republican Party had solid control over government at that time (much better than a 51-49 lead in the Senate) and their unwaving plank on REASONABLE immigration levels (in contrast to the then-over swell of Eastern European immigrants) was universally supported across the country, including LEGAL immigrats (and it still is).

Tom Tancredo's position on immigration is the exact same position the party platform has held for 120 years. It didn't change. The only thing that changed is idiot RINOs started calling it "extremist" because THEY want to change the platform so they can pander to immigrants like the Dems do. Sorry. The Republican Party supports reasonable amounts of legal immigrats who believe in American values and want to assimulate. We do NOT "welcome" every forienger here on demand.

[BillyBoy]

>> That would be . . . NO. But by social conservative I'm talking gay marriage, etc. There ain't no Hispanic of any kind who wants that kind of crap <<

Evidentially you've read any of the voting records of 90% of the "hispanics" in Congress then. Here in Illinois, we have Luis Guiterrez (previous mentioned in this thread), who is very much in favor of that...along with abortion, gun control, and any other socially LIBERAL position you can think of us.

His hispanic consitutents (which make up 70% of the district), had the choice of selecting a more "moderate" (although also pro-abortion) hispanic RAT in the primary-- Marty Castro. He got about 33% of the vote. They then had the chance of electing a socially CONSERVATIVE hispanic REPUBLICAN in the general election-- Tony Lopez-Cisneros. He got about 18% of the vote from your "socially conservative" hispanics.

The same story can repeated in virtually every majority hispanic district in the country. Even if you assume they'll all Democrats, how come they NEVER select "socially conservative" Democrats in the PRIMARY? There are many white DEMOCRAT areas in the south and midwest that pick socially conservative/fiscally liberal candidates, my region is one of them. But most "hispanics" choose candidates like Bob Menendez, Jose Serrano, Loretta Sanchez, Raul Grijalva, Ruben Hinojosa, Luis Guiterrez, etc., etc. Kinda funny why they'd want to nominate someone 180o degrees from their "socially conservative beliefs", eh?

And speaking of "no hispanic of any kind who wants that kind of crap", have you read up on the many marxist "hispanic" governments in other countries yet? Mexico's so liberal than the "conservative" party wins and their "leader" still runs around caring MORE about the lives of convicted killers than unborn children. Hmmm.

They ARE socially conservative Hispanics, but they are a minority among hispanics and the vast majority of them are middle class Americans who have been here at least 3 generations. The GOP is NOT going to magically win the votes of a typical "hispanic" voter.

[No Dems 2004]

This article is from April 2002! Man, why so old?!

Anyway, while I strongly oppose illegal immigration, I still believe that staticians are overthinking the Hispanic groups. I think that analyzing this group has not been succesful. For one thing, it's a group that considers itself white and Hispanic at the same time. And exit polls only allow you to be white or Hispanic. So, how in the world are we supposed to know what's happening in counties where whites and Hispanics are combined together?

Personally, I believe that, while illegal immigration is a problem, the Hispanic Democratic voting trends are exaggerated, and this could help explain why the Texas GOP did so well in 2002.

[A.J.Armitage]

About "economic opportunity"...

Will anyone lose out?